As a 2-State Solution Loses Steam, a 1-State Plan Gains Traction in Israel/Palestine

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Palestinians have no desire, rightfully so, to be Egyptian/Jordanian/Saudis etc. It's one of those questions that many people wouldn't even respond to because the underlying assumption is so disrespectful.

It's like when some idiot yells "durr if you don't like _________ (some random policy that someone might disagree with) then go live in _______ (some random European country 😂).
thing is…they spent all that effort saying “we’re all Arabs!”…well… :francis:

ok, if thats true… :usure:
 

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man please, even without US backing israel would body slam all those weak arab countries at the same damn time. they just get aid from america because they can, it's a reminder to us about who runs this shyt.
I agree. People living in a fantasy.

Best to accept Israel going to be here and figure out how to stop the humanitarian crisis and a long term solution for Gaza and wb.
 

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man please, even without US backing israel would body slam all those weak arab countries at the same damn time. they just get aid from america because they can, it's a reminder to us about who runs this shyt.
That's not true at all. Currently, yes, they have the military strength to spank the Arab countries even without the US, but long term? Israel would be completely open to things like the BDS movement, scrutiny from the UN, and they develop their own weapons, but they would still have to purchase weapons from somewhere else, presumably with less quality and at a higher cost. With human rights organizations shytting on them without media pushback, other countries would follow suit and stop supporting them as well. There's no way they could sustain their economy.

I just have to say this because I keep seeing people trying to push the narrative that we don't actually have much leverage, or that we need Israel more than they need us. It's bullshyt.

They have a well funded military even without help from the US, but we do so much more for them beyond military aid. Based on demographics alone, their religious ethnostate is a completely unsustainable model without backing from the west. Within the Middle East alliances would start forming against them which would further damage their economy, and their ability to hold off hostilities from their neighbors would be severely weakened over just a few short years. They could be forced to make concessions to the Palestinians in order to form alliances within the ME, but I don't think any of us see happening. Other countries like China or Russia could try to step in our place, but they don't carry the same strength as the US and it would put Israel in our crosshairs.

Tbf to @Pressure and the rest of the Zionists who support the US backing Israel, if we removed the bit of leverage we have, Israel would probably go full expansionist and preemptively attack their neighbors, and it would probably lead to an insane nuclear war. Israel's extremely right wing, racist government with it's back against the wall is a scary thought. They would eventually implode, and we'd have an entire continent full of countries that hate the US who would be able to solidify their alliances against us, without Israel there to disrupt. We do benefit a lot from the relationship we have with Israel. I don't think we should pull out of support for that reason, but obviously that doesn't mean we should support them with no red lines like we have been.
 

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It would be more reasonable to build the Palestinians a city state somewhere or give them citizenship in the Muslim world at this point

they're not going to be able to live peacefully next to one another


anyone still supporting the farce of a shared country or border is a fanatic who only wants to see more death
 

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@LOST IN THE SAUCE no need to write an essay...Israel is capable of giving the whole Arab world another ass whooping even without American support.
Majority of the leaders of the Arab states (Let's include Iran here even though they are Persians) won't survive a war for long. Most of their leaders are unpopular dictators and theocracies that their own people don't support.

Iran kills their own women for not wearing the hijab and gives bullshyt excuse of the woman dying because of underlying health issue :mjlol:

Most Iranians/Arabs are not dying for the ayatollahs or dictators if shyt pops off when the bodies of the soldiers start coming home. Iran and Hezbollah backed the fukk down when the bombs started going off in Gaza. They want none of this...they are spectators issuing warnings from afar working through proxies.
 

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@LOST IN THE SAUCE no need to write an essay...Israel is capable of giving the whole Arab world another ass whooping even without American support.
Majority of the leaders of the Arab states (Let's include Iran here even though they are Persians) won't survive a war for long. Most of their leaders are unpopular dictators and theocracies that their own people don't support.

Iran kills their own women for not wearing the hijab and gives bullshyt excuse of the woman dying because of underlying health issue :mjlol:

Most Iranians/Arabs are not dying for the ayatollahs or dictators if shyt pops off when the bodies of the soldiers start coming home. Iran and Hezbollah backed the fukk down when the bombs started going off in Gaza. They want none of this...they are spectators issuing warnings from afar working through proxies.
I acknowledged that in the first sentence of my post. No one said that the Arab nations would immediately go to war with Israel like you're suggesting. All they would need to do is wait for Israel's economy to tank, and they'd be ass out.

If you mean that Israel would be able to dominate the region through expansionism, then you're insane. They don't have the demographics to keep an ethnostate stable across the ME. They wouldn't survive a war either. They would spread themselves thin and get their shyt rocked eventually.
 

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That's not true at all. Currently, yes, they have the military strength to spank the Arab countries even without the US, but long term? Israel would be completely open to things like the BDS movement, scrutiny from the UN, and they develop their own weapons, but they would still have to purchase weapons from somewhere else, presumably with less quality and at a higher cost. With human rights organizations shytting on them without media pushback, other countries would follow suit and stop supporting them as well. There's no way they could sustain their economy.

I just have to say this because I keep seeing people trying to push the narrative that we don't actually have much leverage, or that we need Israel more than they need us. It's bullshyt.

They have a well funded military even without help from the US, but we do so much more for them beyond military aid. Based on demographics alone, their religious ethnostate is a completely unsustainable model without backing from the west. Within the Middle East alliances would start forming against them which would further damage their economy, and their ability to hold off hostilities from their neighbors would be severely weakened over just a few short years. They could be forced to make concessions to the Palestinians in order to form alliances within the ME, but I don't think any of us see happening. Other countries like China or Russia could try to step in our place, but they don't carry the same strength as the US and it would put Israel in our crosshairs.

Tbf to @Pressure and the rest of the Zionists who support the US backing Israel, if we removed the bit of leverage we have, Israel would probably go full expansionist and preemptively attack their neighbors, and it would probably lead to an insane nuclear war. Israel's extremely right wing, racist government with it's back against the wall is a scary thought. They would eventually implode, and we'd have an entire continent full of countries that hate the US who would be able to solidify their alliances against us, without Israel there to disrupt. We do benefit a lot from the relationship we have with Israel. I don't think we should pull out of support for that reason, but obviously that doesn't mean we should support them with no red lines like we have been.
Yup. All of this.

Sustained military campaigns with 300,000 reservists called up is going to impact the economy right now. It’s a blow to the workforce and things have grinded to a halt. Tourism is going to take that hit too.



 
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