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I agree with Bill Maher 100%.
The peace/land deal is never going to get as good for the Palestinians as it was in years past. Imagine how strong their bargaining position would be today if they had taken the deal in 1947....the Arabs went to war and lost. Israel will never give back land gained through war...those who disagree are free to start another war.
I'm getting close believing these people don't want peace. They have fumbled the bag way too many times on the negotiation table.
'Yesterday's price is not today's price'...
What is so fukked up about the situation is how obvious it is that the Arab countries never actually gave a fuk about the Palestinians. They didn't start the war bc they cared about establishing a Palestinian state, they did so for their own various national interests.
Jordan had a secret deal with Israel to support their independence, in exchange for Israel allowing them annex the West Bank, parts of Syria and E. Jerusalem (which they held until they lost it to Israel after participating in the 1967 6 day war).
Egypt and Saudis were trying to counter balance each other. The mufti asked the Arab countries not to directly attack but instead give him weapons/fighters etc, which they refused bc none of them actually wanted a fully independent Palestinian state that wasn't under their control.
Bc the Arabs didn't really give a fukk, and were unsure of the goals, they half assed the attack and contrary to what many people believe, ISRAEL SIGNIFICANTLY OUTNUMBERED ARAB forces. And to make matters worse, many of the Israeli fighters were stone cold, professional killers who were veterans of WW2 and/or the decades long insurgency against the British mandate. If the Arabs wanted they could've flooded the region and won by sheer numbers, but they didn't.
After that, you have to realize that Arab nationalism, which became the dominant movement in the region in the 50s and beyond, depended on the status quo of an Israeli occupation and a stateless Palestinian people. That is because even as everyone proclaimed themselves as Arab nationalists, the only thing the Arab governments could ever agree on was PUBLIC opposition to Israel and claiming to care for the Palestinians. Of course privately they all had secret agreements/understandings with Israel and were constantly backstabbing each other to try and gain additional influence in the region.