ARTICLE: "Time for old black leadership to resign"

[user1]

He is Only being insecure and causing divisions...

During the black power movements... even with black panthers, Even with Black groups like the NOI, churches, Move organization in philli, afrocentric groups and community organizing groups............We have always knew who and what was black, it's not fukking rocket science..... and to come up with Bullshyt about grandparents and the other shyt marcuz is talking is Bullshyt distraction stuff.


And what do you know about black policing themselves? You do know that requires unity........AKA the reason why I ONLY talk about Unity and NOT the BS that yall are oon.
You say it's not just about skin tone ---Well that Exactly what I'm saying. FACT #1 95% of c00ns have four black grandparents and 80% are dark skin. FACT#2 Black people know who is black and who is a part of the black community and it's not fukking complicated........... there have been people who don't fit what that White Supremacist @marcuz wants who have done more for us that white supremist like marcuz who cause division EVER will.

Honestly, any unity and disorder found in the black panthers and NOI was because people were afraid to question ideals of blackness. We need to stop exalting these groups as the end all be all because there were definitely cracks in those organizations. And they all FAILED. Yea, it can feel good to walk around in leather and grow afros but that doesn't mean we need to KEEP ALL of their plans and actions.

If we keep following a plan from groups that failed how are we gonna succeed? That is hustling backwards.

And FACT #1 I already stated that black people is NOT BASED ON SKIN COLOR. It's mindset. That means bi-racial OR black people with 6 generations of black parents MAY NOT BE CONSIDERED BLACK if they can't follow the CODE. It's not rocket science. That is why we have the code and police ourselves. It requires CHANGING our mindset. The revolution was NEVER to be televised. It's a mental shift.

FACT #2 If black people knew who was black and who was truly down for us, we wouldn't have been following Jesse and Sharpton for the past 40 years.Based solely on skin color and bullshyt rhetoric many have been following these snakes in the grass. Say what you want, I don't think these men have been for black people no matter their skin color. It's their mindset!!!!! Under a black code, we create, they would be ousted and shunned.

Edit: we don't have to get caught up on the method because that can be agreed on at a later date but @marcuz idea is still valid of US needing to determine what black means to US.

 

[user1]

@Ligeraz, ya see? this is how a lot of pathetic dudes operate. they reject the truth and choose to go with their own baseless narrative. the problem is a lot of black men are just pro-black men, they aren't for the community as a whole. i cant blame him though, these dudes are stuck in their ways. they will have to be alienated and marginalized.

Sadly this I am seeing to be true. I want to find a strong black man to build a family with, but most just want to control and dominate without listening or caring for their women and by proxy, their children. It's crazy. That's why I have no kids. And it like the idea, that only 144 thousand or something "make It." I forgot where it came from but I heard Common say it on a record. Not everyone is coming along. SMDH.

And a sidenote, when bringing up the Panthers, that pro-black men mind state is one of the reasons they FAILED.

 

[marcuz]

There have been plenty of times why black people had unity with other black people.........which is the only thing we should support. [/qupte]

since when? "black on black crime" has always existed, ALWAYS. there's never been this mythical time when black folks were ALL on the one accord. unity requires an economic dependence on one another, you wont get as long as black folks are fighting each other for table scraps.

you didn't say if you were 20, but you said I'm 10 years older than you... and that I'm old.

You have so many post about grandparents its stupid.... Don't try to flip it now that I've punked you about it so much.

you're an idiot, i've said countless times if you have one non-black parent, you're biracial. i also said my IDEAL standard of blackness would be four black grand parent. which still has nothing to do with you idiots trying to claim any and everyone as black.

 

[user1]

Serious question, what are black people building and what are the benefits of being black?

I agree with Policing yourself.

As of now? I couldn't tell you what we are building. But that is the point of this discussion. We need a foundation to build upon and if we can't even agree to the rules of the game, we can't build shyt. And the benefits of being black? They would become stronger with building of a community. As of now, the benefits would be of a start up company. If we can build a strong structure and mission statement, the sky is truly the limit. We haven't tapped our potential unlike many of races/cultures have.

 

[user1]

the only one bringing up genetic test and grand parents is you. i've made my position in this thread very simple, TWO black parents equal black people. one white or non-black parent and you're not. you haven't disproved anything i've said, you've lied about your own position, and seem stuck on attacking me instead of the points.

there has never been a time where black all held hands and sung kumbaya, you're idea of unity is delusional.

I think the idea of unity in general (in this society) has been skewed and b*stardized. Unity doesn't mean uniformity in thinking. It means being able to take your differences yet still come together as one. Like a marriage (man/woman). You are never the same. The goal is understanding. At least that's how I always understood it.

This is why I think so many black people want to be accepted by others without standing on our own square. Unity isn't losing your uniqueness.

 

[marcuz]

As of now? I couldn't tell you what we are building. But that is the point of this discussion. We need a foundation to build upon and if we can't even agree to the rules of the game, we can't build shyt. And the benefits of being black? They would become stronger with building of a community. As of now, the benefits would be of a start up company. If we can build a strong structure and mission statement, the sky is truly the limit. We haven't tapped our potential unlike many of races/cultures have.

i think his comment alone was telling, and explains the mindset of a lot of these dudes. if you see no value in being black, why the hell not one drop rule yourself to death.

 

[Blackking]

Honestly, any unity and disorder found in the black panthers and NOI was because people were afraid to question ideals of blackness. We need to stop exalting these groups as the end all be all because there were definitely cracks in those organizations. And they all FAILED. Yea, it can feel good to walk around in leather and grow afros but that doesn't mean we need to KEEP ALL of their plans and actions.

If we keep following a plan from groups that failed how are we gonna succeed? That is hustling backwards.

And FACT #1 I already stated that black people is NOT BASED ON SKIN COLOR. It's mindset. That means bi-racial OR black people with 6 generations of black parents MAY NOT BE CONSIDERED BLACK if they can't follow the CODE. It's not rocket science. That is why we have the code and police ourselves. It requires CHANGING our mindset. The revolution was NEVER to be televised. It's a mental shift.

FACT #2 If black people knew who was black and who was truly down for us, we wouldn't have been following Jesse and Sharpton for the past 40 years.Based solely on skin color and bullshyt rhetoric many have been following these snakes in the grass. Say what you want, I don't think these men have been for black people no matter their skin color. It's their mindset!!!!! Under a black code, we create, they would be ousted and shunned.

Edit: we don't have to get caught up on the method because that can be agreed on at a later date but @marcuz idea is still valid of US needing to determine what black means to US.

Those groups were inflitrated by non blacks. The black pathers had white girls and asians snitching on them. They had plenty of so called mixed black people who everyone knew where black because they grew up black , lived around black people, and did more for black people than White supremist like Marcuz and you.

I didn't mention those groups to say we should follow everything they did -- but who are you and what have you done to say what someone did is wrong anyway? You can't.

And your FACT#1 is COMPLETELY against everything that @marcuz has been saying for over a year so WTF are you saying Marcuz is right for ?

and How Exactly do you know who is down for black people. You know by who actually has been down and who Does not distract us from real shyt.... you and people like Marcuz like to talk about shyt besides community building, finance and technology and community policing -------- You know you isn't down for US by who is thinking of any way to divide Black people by Shade, religion, ideas, and class.

 

[user1]

i think his comment alone was telling, and explains the mindset of a lot of these dudes. if you see no value in being black, why the hell not one drop rule yourself to death.

hmmmm powerful sentiment. yet sad . I wondered why @NoSingleMothersB asked and kinda had a but I don't think he was being a jerk. shyt I've never really thought about it myself lol. It is a good question especially if we want to build a community. It sounded real to me .

 

[Blackking]

Sadly this I am seeing to be true. I want to find a strong black man to build a family with, but most just want to control and dominate without listening or caring for their women and by proxy, their children. It's crazy. That's why I have no kids. And it like the idea, that only 144 thousand or something "make It." I forgot where it came from but I heard Common say it on a record. Not everyone is coming along. SMDH.

And a sidenote, when bringing up the Panthers, that pro-black men mind state is one of the reasons they FAILED.

..... now you're in troll status along with the rest.

the Panthers were over 70% women you idiot and they did not have a pro black men mind set. One thing that you all fail to grasp is that Being PRO black MEANS being pro ALL blacks

lol @ that's why I have no children.....

Look at the first part of your post.........Why generalize black men? I know plenty of black families.. I also know black men who take care of their children and proivde and protect even if they aren't with the mothers......... ONE thing we Dont need is our women generalizing ALL black men


You never catch me generalizing all black women because I'm...

pro black

 

[marcuz]

Those groups were inflitrated by non blacks. The black pathers had white girls and asians snitching on them. They had plenty of so called mixed black people who everyone knew where black because they grew up black , lived around black people, and did more for black people than White supremist like Marcuz and you.

okay, i'm done. just keep in mind that white supremacist support the one drop rule, just like you do.

 

[Blackking]

okay, i'm done. just keep in mind that white supremacist support the one drop rule, just like you do.

The one-drop rule is a sociological and legal principle of racial classification that was historically prominent in the United States asserting that any person with even one ancestor of sub-Saharan-African ancestry ("one drop" of black blood)[1][2] is considered to be black.


i posted that because you don't know what it is.

I don't support that idea. I do support the idea of people who look, act, live with, raised by and are a part of the black community working in unity with one another. This is the only thing I've Ever said for 10 years str8. You can't find 1 post outside of me saying this. You just want to say random BS because I called you out on wanting to divide blacks.

 

[marcuz]

hmmmm powerful sentiment. yet sad . I wondered why @NoSingleMothersB asked and kinda had a but I don't think he was being a jerk. shyt I've never really thought about it myself lol. It is a good question especially if we want to build a community. It sounded real to me .

the mindset alone though. i understand there's little benefits to being black in america, but its our job as black to create those benefits. as much hate as blacks get, i want to preserve our genetics and the positive aspects of our culture.

 

[bdwind01]

All the real old black leaders were killed off or were sabotaged like Marcus Garvey. We still got some real ones out there but they dont get any attention shout out to Boyce Watkins

The ones we are left with now are for assimialtion and wanting to be accepted by white people. What we need imo is black exclusion and making a segregated community where we own our own businesses and hire our own people. I respect Jay-z for Tidal and Oprah for owning her own network but they need to be building Jobs in mostly black neighborhoods where everyday black kids with a high school diploma can work straight out of highschool .

 

[user1]

Those groups were inflitrated by non blacks. The black pathers had white girls and asians snitching on them. They had plenty of so called mixed black people who everyone knew where black because they grew up black , lived around black people, and did more for black people than White supremist like Marcuz and you.

I didn't mention those groups to say we should follow everything they did -- but who are you and what have you done to say what someone did is wrong anyway? You can't.

And your FACT#1 is COMPLETELY against everything that @marcuz has been saying for over a year so WTF are you saying Marcuz is right for ?

and How Exactly do you know who is down for black people. You know by who actually has been down and who Does not distract us from real shyt.... you and people like Marcuz like to talk about shyt besides community building, finance and technology and community policing -------- You know you isn't down for US by who is thinking of any way to divide Black people by Shade, religion, ideas, and class.

So now because you don't agree with me, I'm a white supremacists?

OK.

And you just make @marcuz point. The black men were fraternizing with women OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY and they INFILTRATED the movement. Does that not tell you there needs to be parameters on who you sleep with and allow in your community? You mean to tell me you studied all this and can't see how that is a problem? And those "black people" raised black, around black people, but THOUGHT LIKE WHITE PEOPLE. There is your answer in your own statement. Their mindset was fukked up no matter their color. And that was my main point. And black men decimated parts of their own movement cause they couldn't control their dikks. And subjugated their black women. Talk about black power and pride but go fukk non black women .

And the fukk you calling me a white supremacists for? I wasn't disrespectful to you (until now) but you obviously don't want to have an adult discussion. You want to be a black panther in the 60s living under the mental guise of a white supremacist because all you truly want is the power white men hold. NOT LIBERATION. You want to freely fukk white women without being given the . You don't want to liberate black people. You want to liberate your dikk.

And I can give a fukk if you married a black woman because you mind is .


And I'm sorry I don't have time to go read all @marcuz past comments. I'm going by the topic and what has been posted in this thread. I can only go on what's in my face. The fukk .

And right now you are distracting. You know who is down based on those who are willing and able to follow the code laid out (or the one we would try and lay out). That is if we can do that without distracting ass nikkas like you trying to throw people off. . And lastly, I don't have to agree with everything @marcuz says past or present. I've argue with him about some feminist shyt before but I DIDN'T HOLD IT AGAINST him because I am an adult. We have differing opinions. But that doesn't mean I disrespect him or throw out everything else he says. Damn nikka . That is required of UNITY. You got shyt fukked up.

And how idiotic is it to say that people trying to devise a plan to organize black people as divisive . Negro please, you no mustache having, with whiskers......(you can fill in the rest)

 

[marcuz]

The one-drop rule is a sociological and legal principle of racial classification that was historically prominent in the United States asserting that any person with even one ancestor of sub-Saharan-African ancestry ("one drop" of black blood)[1][2] is considered to be black.


i posted that because you don't know what it is.

I don't support that idea. I do support the idea of people who look, act, live with, raised by and are a part of the black community working in unity with one another. This is the only thing I've Ever said for 10 years str8. You can't find 1 post outside of me saying this. You just want to say random BS because I called you out on wanting to divide blacks.

the people who "look" black is subjective when you accept the one drop rule. bob marley is black, right? obama is black, right? these people are black, right?

also, live with, act, raised by is ALL SUBJECTIVE. what matters is who their parents are, that's it. if you have a white parent, asian parent, mexican parent, whatever, you are biracial--not BLACK.