Are haitians the diaspora that kept closest to their African roots?

[IllmaticDelta]

As a Carribean man I can say it is no myth. Haitian food and culture has some French influence, but also more African purities than most other black disporas. Voodoo , for example , exists on West/Central African folklore as curses and witches. My people only don't do the same because we are too perverted by Christianity.

Haitian Voodoo represents Religious syncretism. It's not a 100% African transplant in the new world.

 

[Concerning VIolence]

The answer is no. Hatians aren't as African "culturally" as people think. This isn't to say they don't African influences but their culture is correctly identified as "Creole" for a reason, which all AfroNeworlders fall under by default. For some reason people think Haiti is 100% intact old world African in culture which isn't true and this myth is based on the fact that Haiti/Haitians are the "purest" on avg genetically of most larger new world black ethnic groups. Now usually when people say something is "African" they're talking in a stereotypical forest-jungle-bantu type of way which is why I agree with Essdot right here



Overall, I think the closest to that type of African culture in the new world in Cuba and Brazil.

well no one's saying any group of the diaspora are 100% exactly the same as old world Africans... The thread title says "closest to their african roots".

they aren't superficial but they also are no longer "African" in the purest sense. They are Creolized in the Americas with European influences.

And some groups are less creolized than others. Some groups have less African influences than others. Some groups are actually more genetically pure black than others.

 

[Retired Account]

Who wants to be close to Africa
Im grateful i dont look too African

 

[Barnett114]

Who wants to be close to Africa
Im grateful i dont look too African

:davewow:

 

[Man]

Who wants to be close to Africa
Im grateful i dont look too African

At least we went a few pages without them,

it was only a matter of time

 

[How Sway?]

Superficial? You haven't gone to every part of the diaspora to claim that. Music and language is nothing superficial and it's definitely more than that.

Y'all seem insecure that some cultures held to their respective African heritage the hardest.

They're superficial in the sense that those aspects are easily identifiable as 'african' but the other cultural aspects such as the institutions, family structure, train of thought and a host of others weren't kept for obvious reasons

they aren't superficial but they also are no longer "African" in the purest sense. They are Creolized in the Americas with European influences.

That's what I mean.

 

[Retired Account]

At least we went a few pages without them,

it was only a matter of time

 

[IllmaticDelta]

well no one's saying any group of the diaspora are 100% exactly the same as old world Africans... The thread title says "closest to their african roots".

Cuba and Brazil while Creolized is the closest to pure stereotypical african culture

And some groups are more creolized than others. Some groups have less African influences than others. Some groups are actually more genetically pure black than others.

this is true but the idea that Haiti is African Part 2 in the Americas is fueled by what people perceive of their phenotype + voodoo stereotype. Outside of Voodoo I've never noticed anything drastically stereotypically African about Haitians in the way many of the Cuban and Brazilian things do.

 

[Concerning VIolence]

Cuba and Brazil while Creolized is the closest to pure stereotypical african culture







this is true but the idea that Haiti is African Part 2 in the Americas is fueled by what people perceive of their phenotype + voodoo stereotype. Outside of Voodoo I've never noticed anything drastically stereotypically African about Haitians in the way many of the Cuban and Brazilian things do.

I've never heard anyone claim -- besides maybe OP -- that Haiti is just "Africa part 2".

So salsa, a creolized dance, is more stereotypically African to you?

 

[godkiller]

Haitian Voodoo represents Religious syncretism. It's not a 100% African transplant in the new world.

Wrong, voodoo comes from old West African Vodun practice. There is a Wikipedia article on it.

 

[William F. Russell]

TLR has truly fallen off something terrible.

 

[Poitier]

when people say something is "African" they're talking in a stereotypical forest-jungle-bantu type of way

And its funny because a lot of things considered "West African" can be traced to one country and thus spread via cultural exchange/trade i.e. jollof rice from Senegal. Its not like Africans intrinsically developed the few superficial similarities independently but because of trade and contact

And when talking about African culture its like the urban centers and modern times don't exist. There is more cultural exchange going on between African Americans and Africans than there are with any of the Islands (who also are heavily influenced by us "Yankees" anyways). This is why I say its more of a rural vs urban, global south vs western thing because people are associating traditional, rural lifestyles as something exclusively African or Black. Even the tribes they associate with okra, voodoo, and chanting have evolved culturally.

 

[EndDomination]

Also, Voodou is literally Yoruba and Catholic religious beliefs blended together,

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Wrong, voodoo comes from old West African Vodun practice. There is a Wikipedia article on it.

Vodou originated in the Caribbean and developed in the French Empire in the 18th century among West African slaves when African religious practice was actively suppressed, and enslaved Africans were forced to convert to Christianity.[14][15] Religious practices of contemporary Vodou are descended from, and closely related to, West African Vodun as practiced by the Fon and Ewe. Vodou also incorporates elements and symbolism from other African peoples including the Yoruba and Kongo; as well as Taíno religious beliefs, Roman Catholicism, and European spirituality including mysticism, Freemasonry, and other influences

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I've never heard anyone claim -- besides maybe OP -- that Haiti is just "Africa part 2".

You've never heard people refer to Haiti as "Africa in The New World"?

So salsa, a creolized dance, is more stereotypically African to you?

Im talking the deeper roots of salsa not salsa itself which is a Creolized modern dance