Blackout
just your usual nerdy brotha
Thank you for this logical post.
Are clowns suppose to be black people?
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So facts don't line up with your worldview, so you look for something beyond the facts.
I got you.
SMMH
Oceanicpuppy
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Oceanicpuppy
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There is more....just wait
plushcarpet
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so when someone says they're afraid of clowns.... 
I acknowledged your contribution to the thread but said that things have changed (which is a fact) from their inception.
Dr. Naismith was using baskets for basketball... is the hoop STILL made of wicker?
Things evolve.
So YES you brought some very valid factual contributions to the thread. Very valid historical data. There is your pat on the back. However, just because something started as one thing, does not mean that the meaning over time remains the same. Understand that time shapes many things; words, definitions, icons, etc. are malleable. You are speaking as though "Clown was founded in Europe with no thought of black people" is a set rule, but things change.
A great example of the malleability of language, culture, etc. is the word "nice". Nice used to mean "very simple or foolish" and now, hundreds of years later, that connotation is not tied to the word. Why? Because things change within context.
So either you are being very obtuse with your rationale , trolling, stubborn, or something else, but most logical people can agree that most things do not exist solely and distinctly from the roots of their definition. I can acknowledge that clowns may not have started as a trope to disrespect black people, but that does not mean that they have not morphed into something different than their original intention.
So you are right...I look "beyond the facts" and apply logic, experience, the naked eye, connotation, into my worldview....
Oceanicpuppy
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still not done, this book got hella stuff
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How in the hell can any academic worth a damn type out that portraying african-americans dates to the middle ages?
Oceanicpuppy
Superstar
I acknowledged your contribution to the thread but said that things have changed (which is a fact) from their inception.
Dr. Naismith was using baskets for basketball... is the hoop STILL made of wicker?
Things evolve.
So YES you brought some very valid factual contributions to the thread. Very valid historical data. There is your pat on the back. However, just because something started as one thing, does not mean that the meaning over time remains the same. Understand that time shapes many things; words, definitions, icons, etc. are malleable. You are speaking as though "Clown was founded in Europe with no thought of black people" is a set rule, but things change.
A great example of the malleability of language, culture, etc. is the word "nice". Nice used to mean "very simple or foolish" and now, hundreds of years later, that connotation is not tied to the word. Why? Because things change within context.
So either you are being very obtuse with your rationale , trolling, stubborn, or something else, but most logical people can agree that most things do not exist solely and distinctly from the roots of their definition. I can acknowledge that clowns may not have started as a trope to disrespect black people, but that does not mean that they have not morphed into something different than their original intention.
So you are right...I look "beyond the facts" and apply logic, experience, the naked eye, connotation, into my worldview....
Like I said there is no logic are fact behind your contention.
The facts don't back you up, so you appeal to emotion or a "truth" beyond "facts"
Its okay, I see what you are trying to do, nothing left to discuss.
Blackout
just your usual nerdy brotha
He is very biased so he will be purposely obtuse and illogical to "win" and gaslight you instead of trying to pursue the truth.I acknowledged your contribution to the thread but said that things have changed (which is a fact) from their inception.
Dr. Naismith was using baskets for basketball... is the hoop STILL made of wicker?
Things evolve.
So YES you brought some very valid factual contributions to the thread. Very valid historical data. There is your pat on the back. However, just because something started as one thing, does not mean that the meaning over time remains the same. Understand that time shapes many things; words, definitions, icons, etc. are malleable. You are speaking as though "Clown was founded in Europe with no thought of black people" is a set rule, but things change.
A great example of the malleability of language, culture, etc. is the word "nice". Nice used to mean "very simple or foolish" and now, hundreds of years later, that connotation is not tied to the word. Why? Because things change within context.
So either you are being very obtuse with your rationale , trolling, stubborn, or something else, but most logical people can agree that most things do not exist solely and distinctly from the roots of their definition. I can acknowledge that clowns may not have started as a trope to disrespect black people, but that does not mean that they have not morphed into something different than their original intention.
So you are right...I look "beyond the facts" and apply logic, experience, the naked eye, connotation, into my worldview....
Thats one thing I got from him based on our interactions.
That and he seems to have some kind of agenda.
Oceanicpuppy
Superstar
There were black people in Europe. Not African Americans. He means blacking the face to look like black people.
All good breh...clearly we think differently. I think analytically and you like to do research
