Anyone Seen Django?

[phillycavsfan]

Does Rod even post on this forum? I havent seen him since the switch.

Couple times. He's a lot busier now that he has multiple podcasts. He's probably a lurker now.

 

[nieman]

we extensively explained the handshake scene and about schultz misleading character as a whole... once you truly understand the character arch of schultz and the fact he was really someone who's selfish in his intentions...you may probably appreciate it WAY WAY more. that scene pretty much is the most important scene OF the movie!

One way to look at the handshake scene is that Schultz regrets having to do business with a man like him. It's something that's conveyed in the scene prior, where he keeps having flashbacks about the dogs.

Schultz/Django are there for one reason only, to get Hildy. The vile character that Candie is, basically, a spoiled trust-fund baby who enjoys his toys at the expense of everyone, who tortures because he can do so, completely turns off Schultz.

After the whole charade, Candie's final insult is that "you have to shake my hand". Meaning, "yes, people like me exist, but this is our world, so if you want something from it, you have to submit. So, f#k you." It was eating Schultz alive that he had to do business with someone like Candie.

 

[B-Rock Odrama]

I understand that(bold) which is why I would have some reservations about anybody making an "action movie" about slavery made to entertain people. A true honest portrayal of slavery would not be entertaining to watch. It's not about me thinking that white people got special treatment. It's about me knowing that this is just a movie made to entertain. It has to be watered down and white-washed(made to not make white people too uncomfortable) to a certain extent. I can say that without having seen the movie because I have common sense. The c00n PhillyCavs said it himself, why would white people pay 10$ to see a movie that takes an uncompromising look at slavery and white supremacy? They wouldn't. White people(and c00ns alike) aren't even comfortable having an honest conversation about race. They aren't comfortable confronting those demons. You seem to be under the impression that QT didn't compromise any and it's obvious that he did, otherwise Hollywood would not back it. You have to know that Hollywood is racist, don't you? I don't doubt that there are scenes in the movie that depict how wicked whites were during slavery and all of that, but I also don't doubt that compromises were made to not make white people too uncomfortable and to maintain the status quo. White supremacy is very important to white people. Hollywood is not going to release movies that threaten that.

You say that Rosewood was more watered down, how? I haven't seen the movie in awhile but I'd like to hear how it was watered down in your opinion.Says the stupid ass c00n who recites the rhetoric of pea-brained white racists. Smart white racists know not to make that dumbass argument. Clown.

I see where you are coming from but just cause whites were able to be entertained by this film inspite of the slavery subject matter doesn't mean blacks shouln't either especially considering the reasons we enjoyed it are polar opposites...Seeing a strong blackmale hero clapping up the oppressors of black people during our weakest momment in this nation and coming out victorious is why I imagine most blacks were drawn/liked this film...Where as I think whites were attracted to the flim cause of it's controversy,Tarrintono being attached to it and were able to enjoy it similar to the way they would an horror film in which all white people are killed off by monsters/zombies,etc at the end..They know at the end of the day this is all fiction and they still control the world..Furthermroe I would say blacks enjoyed the movie(for obvoius reasons) significantly more than whites...At my theatere right around the end of the movie when Django was rriding the horse with his woman on the back reveling in the victory after killing all the slave masters most of the white people streamed out the theater with solemn looks on their faces where as most blacks stayed and savored the momment...The horrors of slavery weren't really played down too much....They just wereren't the sole focus of the film..This is my favorite slave themed movie easily...Personally i'm more offended by slavery movies like "Roots" in which outside the attempted slave rebellion scene on the boat t he beginning blacks are portrayed as docile/subservant broken beings whom's only resistance toward their oppression is attempting to runaway......Propaganda like that is much more disparaging and damaging to blackfolk than anything in Django.

 

[B-Rock Odrama]

You weren't using a hypothetical, you just don't know what you're talking about. I'm actually giving you a pass by assuming that you're just a stupid/ignorant c00n who was just for whitey. If you actually knew that what you were saying was BS racist rhetoric, then that would be even worse.

Not only were they not selling "their own people", a lot of times they weren't "selling people" willingly. The Europeans had the guns, not the Africans. It's not consensual when the white men say "either gives us some of your people, or we'll burn your whole village down and kill everybody". It's not consensual when you have tried to fight the white men off of your land and you only capitulate so everybody doesn't get killed. This is not even mentioning the difference in the forms of slavery. The Africans had a much different idea and form of slavery than the Europeans. The African form of slavery treated slaves more like indentured servants. Slaves often times ended up joining the family that they were serving for. The African form of slavery was nowhere near as cruel nor was it dehumanizing like the form of slavery that the Europeans subjected the Africans to. The Size of the Atlantic slave trade is unmatched with any other slave trade in history. Something like 10-15 million Africans were stolen from Africa within 400 years. That changed the world. Wake up dude. Just because the white man says something doesn't mean that it's true.

this...only the kooniest of koons would use the "blacks sold their own people into slavery argument "to defend the whitemans' bondage and brutality on our people...as you thoroughly explained it was much more complicated than that due to the circumstances of Europeans by the barrel of a gun controlling the African countris and people from which their slaves came ..When all the facts are sorted out all the guilt of the Amerikkkan slave trade/institution falls solely on whitey.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

literally...the first thing i hear a white guy say to another white guy in 2013 was...







"My nikka"


this word has no power breh...

 

[wire28]

saw it, it was great

 

[bewitched]

good movie but very cartoonish. i thought leo's eugenics speech was out of place, didn't fit in the scene. the scenes showing hilda being tortured got to me with the slaver being ate alive by dogs reminded the audience of the inhumane nature of slavery.Jamie was ok, don't think there's any Oscar worthy performances. The soundtrack was awesome loved the music and the timing, especially the Django theme song. Quentin walked on a tightrope creating this movie and he managed to stay on balance.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

good movie but very cartoonish. i thought leo's eugenics speech was out of place, didn't fit in the scene. the scenes showing hilda being tortured got to me with the slaver being ate alive by dogs reminded the audience of the inhumane nature of slavery.Jamie was ok, don't think there's any Oscar worthy performances. The soundtrack was awesome loved the music and the timing, especially the Django theme song. Quentin walked on a tightrope creating this movie and he managed to stay on balance.

Funny you mention that speech being out of place, in the script I read I don't think that speech was in there. Maybe they added it later?

 

[gluvnast]

good movie but very cartoonish. i thought leo's eugenics speech was out of place, didn't fit in the scene. the scenes showing hilda being tortured got to me with the slaver being ate alive by dogs reminded the audience of the inhumane nature of slavery.Jamie was ok, don't think there's any Oscar worthy performances. The soundtrack was awesome loved the music and the timing, especially the Django theme song. Quentin walked on a tightrope creating this movie and he managed to stay on balance.

the phrenology speech was indeed appropriate because it asserts calvin candie's ideology and his aristocratic arrogance. he JUST learned that django and schultz was trying to con and deceive him into purchasing hilde. with this new knowledge back of his mind, he wanted to let django and schultz know that the black man will NEVER be equal to the white man. that they will ALWAYS be submissive instinctively.

he was presenting two messages. the aforementioned, and threaten the life of hilde with this believe he can DO so because that was HIS slave, and they can't do anything about it, nor any other slave would "rise up" in outrage over it because of that so-called phrenology ideology.

 

[William Bassington]

One of the best movies I've seen in the past 2 years. It didn't really hit me till the day after and I still was thinking about the memorable scenes. I thought the writing was incredible and the acting was outstanding. Leo and Waltz were my favorite, but Jamie's performance was pretty irreplaceable as well. He was perfect for the role. Tarantino did it again I'm definitely taking this over Inglorious b*stards.

 

[GzUp]

It would have played out fine if Shultz would have shook his hand.

No one is upset about that?

 

[William Bassington]

It would have played out fine if Shultz would have shook his hand.

No one is upset about that?

Yea but I think by not shaking hands he was showing he didn't fully approve of slavery.

 

[phillycavsfan]

It would have played out fine if Shultz would have shook his hand.

No one is upset about that?

Because Schultz refused to act as a gracious loser to someone he finds to be so despicable. It's part of his personality that he always needs to have the upper hand.

 

[King Theo]

Yea but I think by not shaking hands he was showing he didn't fully approve of slavery.

i feel like all before this he thought he was doing something for black by freeing django and tutoring him. but when he killed candie and shortly before shultz became actually was down for the cause at least thats how i felt. then when he got shot i was like

 

[OmegaK2099]

Candie was gonna change his mind the moment he shook his hands thus giving him two victories over schultz, hes not gonna pull all that heat and cause all that drama for nothin