Black people aren't born self-haters my man. c00ns or whatever you want to call them are created by white supremacy. You have to try to understand the mentality of a slave that loved his master more than himself. That was someone who had been completely defeated by white supremacy in every way.
i never claimed they were....regardless of the reason selling out (defending and promoting white supremacy and working against their own people to defend this status qou) is an unforgivable sin...they don't deserve smympathy or understaning breh...the fact that stephen's loyalty to his white master was one of the more humorous running jokes of the film and reason for his demise a positive as far as the message it shows the audience(particularly blackfolk)
i never claimed they were....regardless of the reason's sellouts defending and promoting white supremacy muchless working against their own people to defend this status qoue is an unforgivable sin...they don't deserve smympathy or understaning breh...the fact that the despite stephen's loyalty to his white master was one of the more humorous jokes of the film and reason for his demise a positive as far as the message it shows the audience(particularly blackfolk)
I feel you and I don't have sympathy. I'm just not comfortable with white people being entertained like that. Self hate is a major problem in our community and it should never be amusement for white people.
I found Jackson hilarious, I think it's more a testament to his performance, and his acting, then reveling in his 'Uncle Tom' nature, I don't think it's wrong to be amused by Jackson, it's uncomfortable, pushes the line, but that's what Tarentino does, and I didn't even like the movie like that, and think parts of the this movie felt very phoned in and rehashed from 'Basterds'...
You've just illustrated my entire point right here. You say that you weren't laughing at Jackson being a house-******, but you were laughing at him being a house-******. I guess you don't realize that that's a clear contradiction. You're not black right? Here's my thing, this is obviously a movie that exploits slavery. That's all I'm saying. I don't have to see the movie to recognize that. If Django was a factual documentary where white people are really being open and honest about slavery/white supremacy, how slavery/white supremacy has shaped this country, how white racism has changed in form over time, and how it effects people living in Amerikkka today then I'd doubt that you'd laugh watching it. Slavery is one of the worst atrocities in the history of man. You would have cringed and felt uncomfortable had you watched a movie that was just made to show the real about slavery. Django is a movie made by white people to entertain other white people using slavery as the back drop. That's the definition of exploitation.
Look, everything that you all are saying about the movie may be true. It could be a very entertaining movie that makes Jamie Foxx's character look like some black-superhero who gets to kill a bunch of whites or whatever you all are saying. This does not mean that it's not a movie that exploits slavery, because it is. Again, you have to be careful with white people because they're very slick. There's a reason that Hollywood is behind this movie so tough.
I see the game here. No matter what anyone says, you're going to try to own something and spin it how you want.
Don't question my blackness or my intelligence first of all. I'm a doctoral candidate who has to read personal accounts and listen to 3rd person accounts. I've had uncles hung by the Klan. I've marched for Us. Don't want to hear that BS from ignorance. Second of all, see the damn movie. You're just sounding ignorant now. Django himself, addresses this.
You're talking about cringing? There were cringe worthy scenes throughout the movie. One of the most uncomfortable movies to watch ever.
I see the game here. No matter what anyone says, you're going to try to own something and spin it how you want.
Don't question my blackness or my intelligence first of all. I'm a doctoral candidate who has to read personal accounts and listen to 3rd person accounts. I've had uncles hung by the Klan. I've marched for Us. Don't want to hear that BS from ignorance. Second of all, see the damn movie. You're just sounding ignorant now. Django himself, addresses this.
You're talking about cringing? There were cringe worthy scenes throughout the movie. One of the most uncomfortable movies to watch ever.
Don't bother trying to qualify yourself, I don't believe the personal stuff people post up here so don't waste your time. I didn't spin anything, you're the one contradicting yourself. I'm not trying to argue with you. I've made my point. Beat it.
GTFOH nikka. You show me a black person born in America who has made it all the way to the top without the assistance of ONE white person and I'll shutup.
That's not saying black people need to depend on white people either. Its just being realistic.
I'll spoiler tag my response since its about the conclusion
I guess well have to agree to disagree. I never said the White guy wasn't needed, but what did he do at the end? He almost cost everyone their lives because of his selfish ambitions. He could only get Django so far. Like others have analyzed in this thread. Despite his best intentions (white liberals) he still took advantage of the situation to get what he wants (no handshake). Just like white liberals will help black people by trying to understand their plight but it won't happen without them interjecting their own agenda. In the end its going to take black folks to clean up their own community, become financially empowered/independent. No one else is going to do that but US. I think it is telling that EVERY white person died in the film. Everyone of them. He was clearly trying to tell black folks something with that line by Django at the end. Look at when he even said it, it was only one white person left in the entire film...but he still stated it twice. The black girls still standing there was telling as well.
I aint spoiler taggin shyt, cuz nobody should be in a thread discussing a movie without seeing the movie.
But yeah I agree with your point now that you've expounded it on it. Blacks should not depend on white assistance to get them where they need to be. But I think the movie also showed us something deeper that relates to today. All those black people in Candie Land weren't equal. Even tho the white man was clearly the enemy let's examine some of the black characters...
Sheba - Clearly a beloved house slave. She gave Django the look throughout the whole movie. Even if they're free, she's not likely to be parlaying with the other slaves. Probably felt more comfy with massa to be honest.
Stephen - Dude was a super c00n. Let's say Django left him alive, he'd definitely be opposed to hanging with any of the slaves left. And would be doing anything he could to get things back in order. The other slaves would probably wind up killing him.
The reason this relates to today is that you can look at the black community and you still have Uncle Toms who think they're different and black folks from means who look down at those without means. Etc. ETc. Sadly not realizing that the white man looks at us all the same.
I could go on and on about this but I think i got my point across.
It always amazes me when people who haven't even seen the source material, debate all day over hypotheticals & specifics and what they want instead of actually seeing the source material (don't have to pay, can download a screener/rip) and making specific, salient points.
It reminds me of misinformed republicans who blindly grandstand on issues they don't fully research.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to hear a real critical take on the movie, but literally everyone who has a huge problem with the movie hasn't even seen it.
Slavery is one of the worst atrocities in the history of man. You would have cringed and felt uncomfortable had you watched a movie that was just made to show the real about slavery.
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Again, you have to be careful with white people because they're very slick.
.... it's laughable because to the first point there are 4 (maybe even 6) cringe generating scenes depicting the grotesque atrocities of slavery. These weren't just quick moments ... Tarantino built up to these scenes, made you cringe/feel the disgustingness, made it linger. The story literally stops at these moments to force you to absorb the fact of the fukked up shyt that occurred. People in the theaters were squirming in their seats, some even turned their heads.
and the second point is basically a predominant theme of the movie.
This movie isn't even being sold as a historical slave narrative, yet it's the only movie recently to remind me how fukked up slavery is/was.
DId you catch that social commentary on the clothes Django first chose for himself? With the slave responding to him... "You a free man? And you picked that?"
DId you catch that social commentary on the clothes Django first chose for himself? With the slave responding to him... "You a free man? And you picked that?"
You're white.... You're most likely not gonna relate to the emotions and opinions of certain black people in regards to this movie... Your attempt at belittling others for their feelings towards a film that depicts slavery is just dumb and you're like 30 something, you would think some sort of maturity and empathy could be expressed at that age... Notice how 2 white dudes dapped your post as well... My point is.. not everyone is like you.. Including your fellow white guy who wrote that article for the Washington Post...
For every Black person who was offended by the subject matter in the film, there was probably a white person who agrees with Mr. Kuhner and thinks this film is anti white racism or they agree with all the people who think the film will incite black on white violence...
Me personally, i love the film and never had a problem with it, in pre-production, post production, and its release to the public, Im just responding to your condescending white ass because the shyt kind of irks me, but at the same time reaffirms my opinions on white folks in general...
I don't relate to the emotions or opinions of anyone speaking on something they haven't even seen. It's fukking silly.
Anyone that speaks on a movie they haven't seen is a moron. Period. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why. It's not as if I'm telling people to put money in QT's pockets, either. Bootleg the movie if you have to, but be knowledgeable about what you're discussing. Then, if you have a problem with the movie, by all means go on a rant about it. You're acting like I got a problem across the board with people that are offended by the movie. I specifically have a problem with anyone that hasn't seen the movie, yet is sitting here writing paragraphs on why it's horrible.
If common sense makes me The Evil White Man, fukk it.
Chris Rock is black. I think Chris Rock is hilarious. I do not think Chris Rock is hilarious BECAUSE he is black.
You seem to be unable to separate different traits of a character.
People weren't laughing at the Stephen character BECAUSE he was an uncle tom, etc. He had humorous dialog and Jackson had a very unique delivery that upped the comic value. But it was pretty clear what his role in the story was. Django even blatantly pointed out how "black slavers" were worse than the whites. Scenes like that, and the scenes of raw brutality were as far removed from "exploitation" or "played for laughs" as I can imagine.
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I'm glad they left that part out
GTFOH nikka. You show me a black person born in America who has made it all the way to the top without the assistance of ONE white person and I'll shutup.
look throughout the whole movie. Even if they're free, she's not likely to be parlaying with the other slaves. Probably felt more comfy with massa to be honest.
