If you stay home your voice wont be heard, but If you give one party 90% of your votes with no strings attached your voice still wont be heard. So whats the difference really? My life will continue the same regardless of whos in office after November.
Anyone here not voting besides me?
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Dirty_Jerz
Ethiop
true...
all these "dont say shyt when some law gets passed u dont like kuz u aint vote"
how about dont say shyt when u vote for your master and they dont do what they said they would anyway
It's not an issue for people
So it's not an issue for the president
People have to spark the change
I might, I might not. Depends on how busy I am that day.
I voted for the first time in 2008.
Since then I've realized that it doesn't matter whether we vote or not, because the president doesn't run the US. Large corporations do.
I voted for the first time in 2008.
Since then I've realized that it doesn't matter whether we vote or not, because the president doesn't run the US. Large corporations do.
feelosofer
#ninergang
This, we as a people have become way too apathetic as a group, this has been the negative side our individualism as a nation, and as Black people. I think this disdain for voting is a side effect of this.
This is the same old red herring argument. Nobody ever said the President runs the US. We have a system with 3 equal branches of government. You are not voting for a king or a god.
The president does speak on violence, he doesn't make a news conference everytime somebody gets shot, but he does speak on what we need to do economically to pull more people out of poverty. It's not about voting for "my president is black" it's about voting for the candidate that will help this country get back on track.
You call people fools for talking about tax brackets, but how do we help our brothers and sisters if we can't get gainful employment? How can we pull more people from poverty if we are all fighting over the same scraps?
How can we solve our problems if we don't get involved politicly?
Obama may not be the one that changes anything, your vote may not matter very much this time around, but we need to vote to show our presence and our willingness to fight for our issues. When politicians think up a game plan they don't even think about black people, cause we don't vote. There is no point in pandering to our issues cause we won't vote anyway.
Either way your voice will be heard. Even if your vote doesn't affect the election directly, you are standing up and showing them that you HAVE a voice. As of right now they don't respect your voice cause you don't think it's important to use it. If we all go show them that we are involved and we will vote then they would respect our voice and our needs because they need the votes.
And to say that your life won't change regardless of who's in office is total bullshyt. It mattered when bush got in office and put us in this mess. It will matter if Romney gets in office and rehashes all of bushes old policies.
People don't even understand when they are being helped. If you've gone to college, gone to the doctor, or even just filed taxes in the last couple years , Obama has helped you. All of these things are what romney wants to cut. Your life will definately change if Romney gets into office.
feelosofer
#ninergang
once obama gets in office, then what?
see ive had lots of conversations with friends and with people in HL about this topic recently and i seen the different viewpoints.
in our current paradigm, i understand the need for the populous to represent politically and let the ruling class know we are still active in the political process.
i also understand the need to get certain candidates into office so shyt doesnt go COMPLETELY off the deep end (a la obama).
but what i dont understand is why so many people's political activities are limited to just voting in the national election. political and social activism does not start or stop when people get in office... the REAL work begins when they get in office.
so i guess my gripe is that people want citizens to have all this accountability and go vote. but once most people go vote they lose grip on all accountability for the politicians, and holding the politicians accountable for their actions in government.
voting in itself is mostly a symbolic act these days, but its the actions before and after politicians get elected where we need to create change.
but most muufukkas go to the voting polls and then get on with life per usual, not following up on the promises made by those put in office.
thats why politicians and corporations are running rampant because we the people are not holding them accountable.
so dont talk to me about voting, talk to me about how we're going to hold politicians accountable once they're in office.
so i ask you negores again, after obama gets elected, then what?
I agree with everything you said here. We need to be more involved all around, voting is just the first step, we have to fight for our needs.
I don't think this can be stated enough not only because of that idiots opinion but because people in general think that all the president has to do is wave a magic wand and everyone will do his bidding. They forget about local elections, congressional elections and senate elections but they are in reality too lazy to do anything so they complain instead.
Politics to me, is like sports it's entertainment.
No, they dont respect our voice because they know they already got it by default. They know all they need to do is show up at a black church, bring out their pastor or hip hop voice, or act stereotypically black and black people will fall for it.
This recession was already in the making when Clinton along with the help of both democrats and republicans repealed parts of the glass steagall act. To act like only one person is responsible for this mess when all our politicians are bought and paid for is simply naive.
I pay my own insurance and never went to college. I enlisted in the military for 4 years, saved my money, and came home at 22 with 30k in the bank. Im self employed now. If you feel youre being raped by taxes that has more to do with you living in an expensive state rather than which president is in office. Other than that Ive been living just as comfortable now as Ive been under Bush.
Less than 50% of us vote. And even less than that actually educates themselves and really participates in the political process. Politicians don't pander to our votes cause there's are not that many of them.
Didn't blame bush for all of our problems but if you don't think some of his policies contributed to the mess then you're naive
Your insurance has been improved by the healthcare plan. Veterans issues are a big part of the election. And so are small business issues. All reasons you should be active in the political process.