anyone else confused by black christians?

[marcuz]

It means your using arguments that really don't fit. Slavery and white jesus have been used for years.

it's been "used for years" because it's an unanswered question

how about you answer it, and solve the riddle

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

But see you're playin around wit semantics right now breh. Cave mufukkas aint have a name for fire but knew dat shyt was fukkin hot n could burn shyt. Somethin can be realized and acknowledged without it havin a concrete/tangible "label" to it. Nationality or white, however you wanna put it, "White supremacy" was in full effect regardless if dey were actually called "white".

It's like you're throwin out an arbitrary "fact" just for da fukk of it right now doe mang. It's neither helpin nor hindering anybody's argument. C'mon fam.

Sorry to inform you, I can't find the paper.........but I did find this.........

RACE - The Power of an Illusion . Background Readings | PBS

A New Social Identity

Toward the end of the eighteenth century, the image of Africans began to change dramatically. The major catalyst for this transformation was the rise of a powerful antislavery movement that expanded and strengthened during the Revolutionary Era both in Europe and in the United States. As a consequence proslavery forces found it necessary to develop new arguments for defending the institution. Focusing on physical differences, they turned to the notion of the natural inferiority of Africans and thus their God-given suitability for slavery. Such arguments became more frequent and strident from the end of the eighteenth century on, and the characterizations of Africans became more negative.

From here we see the structuring of the ideological components of "race." The term "race," which had been a classificatory term like "type," or "kind," but with ambiguous meaning, became more widely used in the eighteenth century, and crystallized into a distinct reference for Africans, Indians and Europeans. By focusing on the physical and status differences between the conquered and enslaved peoples, and Europeans, the emerging ideology linked the socio-political status and physical traits together and created a new form of social identity. Proslavery leaders among the colonists formulated a new ideology that merged all Europeans together, rich and poor, and fashioned a social system of ranked physically distinct groups. The model for "race" and "races" was the Great Chain of Being or Scale of Nature (Scala Naturae), a semi-scientific theory of a natural hierarchy of all living things, derived from classical Greek writings. The physical features of different groups became markers or symbols of their status on this scale, and thus justified their positions within the social system. Race ideology proclaimed that the social, spiritual, moral, and intellectual inequality of different groups was, like their physical traits, natural, innate, inherited, and unalterable.

I'm pretty sure a couple KTL regulars would remember when I originally posted it back on

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Yeah but nobody is directin dat shyt towards YOUR personal family members dat are christians because don't nobody on here know dem. You're championing and defending for things dat aren't eam really being threatened in da first place breh.

Doesn't matter if it's directed at them or not. The point is you can't make blanket statements about a group of people based on limited/biased exposure.

Dere are crazy religious folks out dere just like dere are in fact some good religious folk out dere. So I don't know how you can think when somebody says somethin about Christians on here or wherever...dey're directly talkin about YOUR family members and you feel obligated to throw on da cape n take imaginary bullets for em.

But do ya thang breh.

When you (and the rest) decide to post the positive aspects of religions rather than dogma, I might stop. Until then, I'll continue.

 

[profound]

Doc's a smart dood but sometimes homie doesn't come off completely honest wit his shyt

from what i've seen he's a notorious liar and not really bright at all..

 

[RenAi!]

One day religion may not exist. Greed and poverty will always exist. There's nothing you can do about that. And as long as those two things exist we will kill each other.

You can't measure infinite, so stop saying that humans will be greedy/impoverished forever. Whether we've been here two thousand years or millions of years, we've already failed when we say 'we fukked up for this long. Whelp, we gon' be fukked up forever'

Anything can happen one hundred years from now. That is, if you don't misguide your kids with the aforementioned statement. shyt takes time to learn. You're no longer a baby; do you still shyt your trousers?

I haven't read through all of this, but thus far you're just coming off as one of those types that know your faith's BEYOND questionable, but you're scared as shyt, just like most people. I stopped asking my mom if she believes that much of the bible is incorrect, then how is she even certain the rest of it is accurate.? too many people like that nowadays. It's not like their god is coming down to filter out the good chapters.

Speaking of, what's stopping god from parting the clouds for just a few seconds and saying 'I exist'. SERIOUSLY?! What are you religious people gonna tell your kids, should they ever ask that exact question?

I'd imagine damn near all human suffering would end if god did that.

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

Doesn't matter if it's directed at them or not. The point is you can't make blanket statements about a group of people based on limited/biased exposure.



When you (and the rest) decide to post the positive aspects of religions rather than dogma, I might stop. Until then, I'll continue.

Well then i hope you ate your wheaties because it's not gonna stop.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Well then i hope you ate your wheaties because it's not gonna stop.

Never liked Wheaties and you've already taken the first step to 'True' enlightenment. Did you read the rest of the info from the link I posted?

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

Never liked Wheaties and you've already taken the first step to 'True' enlightenment. Did you read the rest of the info from the link I posted?

Breh I BEEN jacked out da matrix for years. Never felt more alive, light, and free. One of da best things to ever happen to me.

And yea i read da link. Interesting stuff, but i still stick by da core shyt i said earlier. Props on da added info nonetheless yo.

 

[Tom]

why is Doc is defensive when it comes to religion tho?


why u holding on to bullshyt so tight for bro (yes I said "why and then for", thats hood shyt nikka)



wouldn't it be easier to just let the bullshyt flow out ur buttcheeks and relax?

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Breh I BEEN jacked out da matrix for years. Never felt more alive, light, and free. One of da best things to ever happen to me.

And yea i read da link. Interesting stuff, but i still stick by da core shyt i said earlier. Props on da added info nonetheless yo.

Cool. One more thing, I found the link......

http://www.understandingrace.org/resources/pdf/disease/smedley.pdf

Colonial leaders were also doing something else; they were laying the basis for the invention of race and racial identities. They began to homogenize all Europeans, regardless of ethnicity, status, or social class, into a new category. The first time the term “White,” rather than “Christian” or their ethnic names (English, Irish, Scots, Portuguese, German, Spanish, Swede) appeared in the public record was seen in a law passed in 1691 that prohibited the marriage of Europeans with Negroes, Indians, and mulattoes (Smedley 2007, 118). A clearly separated category of Negroes as slaves allowed newly freed European servants opportunities to realize their ambitions and to identify common interests with the wealthy and powerful. Laws were passed offering material advantages and social privileges to poor whites. In this way, colony leaders consciously contrived a social control mechanism to prevent the unification of the working poor (Allen 1997). Physical features became markers of racial (social) status, as Virginia’s governor William Gooch asserted, the assembly sought to “fix a perpetual Brand upon Free Negroes and Mulattos” (Allen 1997, 242).

'White Supremacy' didn't exist until 'White' people existed. 'White' people didn't exist until 1691.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

what does that have to do with slaves in america being forced by terror into believing christianity?

That's ducktales, my man, and didn't happen. Many slaveholders actually forbade slaves to attend religious services because they didn't believe they had 'souls'.

do you really think they were being taught to believe jesus/god is black? only you new age nikkas like to slap dreads (or a perm) on jesus and say he was black.

No, they actually taught themselves. The idea of a 'Black' Jesus originated from African slaves during the middle of the 17th Century. Read some W.E.B. DuBois.

is this your god?

Your question makes no sense.

 

[kevm3]

Why are atheists so concerned with what others believe when they have no mandate in their belief system to spread their beliefs?

Atheists are so concerned with 'evidence' except when it comes to their own beliefs. Name a great atheist civilization. We bring up this 'the slavemasters forced Christianity on us... that's the white man's stuff." Look at the leading atheists who are often parroted. What color are they? That's right, white. Who started Planned Parenthood with a plan of reducing the black population? Atheist Margaret Sanger. I can go on and on.

 

[marcuz]

Why are atheists so concerned with what others believe when they have no mandate in their belief system to spread their beliefs?

Atheists are so concerned with 'evidence' except when it comes to their own beliefs. Name a great atheist civilization. We bring up this 'the slavemasters forced Christianity on us... that's the white man's stuff." Look at the leading atheists who are often parroted. What color are they? That's right, white. Who started Planned Parenthood with a plan of reducing the black population? Atheist Margaret Sanger. I can go on and on.

you don't have to listen to any white person to question religion. some of you act like you can't think for yourselves. if there were more black athiest, would you followers start to question your beliefs if your grandparents and parents weren't christians, would you be a christian?

and this thread was started because a katt williams was clearly concerned about atheist and their 'silly' view of evolution; not the other way around.

 

[kevm3]

I choose to be a Christian of my own volition. I've questioned my beliefs several times. Have YOU questioned atheism? Have you questioned how so much order can be derived from complete disorder?

 

[marcuz]

I choose to be a Christian of my own volition. I've questioned my beliefs several times. Have YOU questioned atheism? Have you questioned how so much order can be derived from complete disorder?

i'm not atheist, i'm agnostic; and i'm still trying to figure out why y'all railing against atheism instead of explaining your faith