Anybody defending Wilder after turning down 100 million dollars has no credibility.

[reservoirdogs]

GGG, who is older, also turned down a flat fee with the Canelo saga and walked away with more money after those two fights had he accepted a flat fee and hell ended up with more money with his Dazn deal in the long run anyways.

Why nobody called him a fool for not accepting a flat fee when it was first offered to him to fight Canelo yet giving Wilder this negative energy? I asked before, when has an offer like what Dazn and them offering Wilder has ever been done in the past with any other fighter? If Wilder is to accept the $40 mill, how much is AJ going to take home? Has THAT been confirmed?

I can't speak for other ppl but I think I also criticized GGG for turning that down
anyway... GGG was offered a 5-15 millions flat fee or what which is quite a big difference from 40 millions. If anything 40 millions is overpaying, the fight probably doesn't worth that much with Wilder only having 1 PPV behind his back and AJ only debuting in the US in June (he is globally a bigger star than Wilder though). So if Wilder would get 40 millions, assuming Joshua would get at least as much or probably more then we are being close to 100 millions and the fight won't generate close to 100 millions as of now nor after a first fight. I don't think there's a way that fight would generate more on PPV or anyhow.

Look at this:

Canelo Alvarez vs Gennady Golovkin II Rematch Purse (Confirmed)

Canelo Alvarez vs Gennady Golovkin II Rematch Payouts (Confirmed)
FIGHTER PURSE PAYOUTS
Canelo Alvarez $36 million (Canelo Alvarez will be a getting a guaranteed cheque of $15 million the morning after the fight. But he is expected to clear minimum of $35 million in total with his tier based PPV contract depending on the ppv numbers. Another $3-$5 million from both US and Mexico sponsorship deals making it his biggest payday of around $40 million)
Gennady Golovkin $24 million (Guaranteed $15 million but just like Canelo he will also get share of PPV revenue pie and depending on numbers he should also clear over $20 million easy)

So according to this all in all they got around 60 millions, and that's Canelo vs Golovkin a fight with a big mainstream appeal in the States which did more than a million buys. Not a fight between a guy who has one PPV in the States and another who is a big star in his home country but only debuting in the US now.

C'mon brehs...

I know "the heavies though" but let's be real, neither Joshua nor Wilder is close to being a Canelo level star in the US, probably Golovkin is bigger than both too.
Wilder would have gotten at worst as much as Canelo's biggest purse so far and it's not good enough? Cause what if he knocks AJ out the first time? He would be still way overpaid with 40 millions.


So DAZN was willing to CRAZILY overpay Wilder (and Joshua), like double price or so than what they'd actually worth, also throw 20 millions at Wilder for fighting Breazeale but dude was successfully fed with the Mayweather dream so he turned it down.

 

[patscorpio]

i hope he gets paid a handsoime sum!

and ppl wonder how and why foreign fighters actually become stars in america in boxing over american born fighters

 

[Liu Kang]

Optimally, the offer shouldn't have had the rematch in it. Give him 20m + 40m then build from this, would have been better for all parties. As stated previously, not only Wilder never cleared as much (I think the Fury fight was his highest payday and including the PPV earnings, he was getting like 15m) but even the biggest fighters of the last couple of years (excluding Mayweather obviously) aren't seeing that 40m for a fight. BUT that said, if AJ is getting 30m to fight Miller, he would probably be paid far more for the Wilder fight so I can understand Wilder's POV a bit when this is taken into account

 

[malbaker86]

I can't speak for other ppl but I think I also criticized GGG for turning that down
anyway... GGG was offered a 5-15 millions flat fee or what which is quite a big difference from 40 millions. If anything 40 millions is overpaying, the fight probably doesn't worth that much with Wilder only having 1 PPV behind his back and AJ only debuting in the US in June (he is globally a bigger star than Wilder though). So if Wilder would get 40 millions, assuming Joshua would get at least as much or probably more then we are being close to 100 millions and the fight won't generate close to 100 millions as of now nor after a first fight. I don't think there's a way that fight would generate more on PPV or anyhow.

Look at this:

Canelo Alvarez vs Gennady Golovkin II Rematch Purse (Confirmed)



So according to this all in all they got around 60 millions, and that's Canelo vs Golovkin a fight with a big mainstream appeal in the States which did more than a million buys. Not a fight between a guy who has one PPV in the States and another who is a big star in his home country but only debuting in the US now.

C'mon brehs...

I know "the heavies though" but let's be real, neither Joshua nor Wilder is close to being a Canelo level star in the US, probably Golovkin is bigger than both too.
Wilder would have gotten at worst as much as Canelo's biggest purse so far and it's not good enough? Cause what if he knocks AJ out the first time? He would be still way overpaid with 40 millions.


So DAZN was willing to CRAZILY overpay Wilder (and Joshua), like double price or so than what they'd actually worth, also throw 20 millions at Wilder for fighting Breazeale but dude was successfully fed with the Mayweather dream so he turned it down.

bruh...this time last year they were offering him $15 mill flat and a year later it's $40 plus mill flat. After he flattens Breazeale, that number increases, no? Nobody still never answered how much would AJ take home if Wilder had to accept a flat fee. Also, what happens if Wilder accepted the deal and then AJ loses to Big Baby via KO and has an immediate rematch...what's Wilder to do then? What happens to the contract?

 

[Master Teacher]

If Bob Arum praised wilder for turning down the deal lmao
Spence just made half Crawford contract in one fight being his own boss
if they wanna give wilder 100 million its because he worth 300 million

 

[mr heyzel]

If Bob Arum praised wilder for turning down the deal lmao
Spence just made half Crawford contract in one fight being his own boss
if they wanna give wilder 100 million its because he worth 300 million

facts and he could make a 100 mily and more in one fight with aj the boy wilder knows his worth never take up front money or a flat fee only desperate fighters does this

 

[malbaker86]

facts and he could make a 100 mily and more in one fight with aj the boy wilder knows his worth never take up front money or a flat fee only desperate fighters does this

Right. Again, why is how muxh Wilder will/would make all in the open but not how much AJ will make?

 

[GzUp]

Wilder is gonna get fazed out and get beat by someone, only a matter of time

 

[acbjr22]

If Bob Arum praised wilder for turning down the deal lmao
Spence just made half Crawford contract in one fight being his own boss
if they wanna give wilder 100 million its because he worth 300 million

No, they wanna give Wilder 100 million because they are willing to overpay to get a foothold in the market by providing the fights fans want to see. Think about it, how does Dazn establish itself with so many other streaming options and networks? They are willing to overpay because they are making an investment. You have to spend money to make money. They are betting that providing these fights will get them loyal subscribers and down the line will turn a profit for them.

Wilder is not worth the 100 million they are willing to pay him. Dude has only been on PPV once and the number of buys were nowhere near Floyd numbers. This dude has never had a purse of more than 15 million and he has had 40+ fights. Floyd only had 50 fights in his entire career. Deontay Wilder will never be the PPV star Floyd was. Stop justifying him ducking AJ.

 

[acbjr22]

Optimally, the offer shouldn't have had the rematch in it. Give him 20m + 40m then build from this, would have been better for all parties. As stated previously, not only Wilder never cleared as much (I think the Fury fight was his highest payday and including the PPV earnings, he was getting like 15m) but even the biggest fighters of the last couple of years (excluding Mayweather obviously) aren't seeing that 40m for a fight. BUT that said, if AJ is getting 30m to fight Miller, he would probably be paid far more for the Wilder fight so I can understand Wilder's POV a bit when this is taken into account

AJ has 3 major belts and the IBO belt, he should be paid more. Wilder expecting 50/50 is fukking ridiculous and a way to duck AJ

 

[Master Teacher]

No, they wanna give Wilder 100 million because they are willing to overpay to get a foothold in the market by providing the fights fans want to see. Think about it, how does Dazn establish itself with so many other streaming options and networks? They are willing to overpay because they are making an investment. You have to spend money to make money. They are betting that providing these fights will get them loyal subscribers and down the line will turn a profit for them.

Wilder is not worth the 100 million they are willing to pay him. Dude has only been on PPV once and the number of buys were nowhere near Floyd numbers. This dude has never had a purse of more than 15 million and he has had 40+ fights. Floyd only had 50 fights in his entire career. Deontay Wilder will never be the PPV star Floyd was. Stop justifying him ducking AJ.

lmao, you have no clue hat you are talking about

Joshua and Wilder won't be on DAZN its a ppv fight

Even Bob Arum says Wilder was being short changed, he got Haymon and Finkel advising him, if it was a good move Wilder would've done it, you hav no clue about the boxing business model

Erroll Spence made 20 million not even doing 500k buys, and you don't think Wilder can't make 100 million fighting Joshua on PPV, you are a fukking idiot

 

[acbjr22]

lmao, you have no clue hat you are talking about

Joshua and Wilder won't be on DAZN its a ppv fight

Even Bob Arum says Wilder was being short changed, he got Haymon and Finkel advising him, if it was a good move Wilder would've done it, you hav no clue about the boxing business model

Erroll Spence made 20 million not even doing 500k buys, and you don't think Wilder can't make 100 million fighting Joshua on PPV, you are a fukking idiot

How much did Wilder make against Fury in a PPV fight? Less than 15 million. Wilder vs Joshua is not doing anymore than 1 million PPV buys. Canelo and GGG did that number of buys and neither of them made 40 million. Wilder goofy ass definitely isn't making 100 million dumbass

 

[mr heyzel]

lmao, you have no clue hat you are talking about

Joshua and Wilder won't be on DAZN its a ppv fight

Even Bob Arum says Wilder was being short changed, he got Haymon and Finkel advising him, if it was a good move Wilder would've done it, you hav no clue about the boxing business model

Erroll Spence made 20 million not even doing 500k buys, and you don't think Wilder can't make 100 million fighting Joshua on PPV, you are a fukking idiot

Wilder vs aj will make over 200 mily easily between ppv sales in the us and internationally and it’s the biggest fight out here and it’s history involved in this fight when is the last time we seen a heavyweight unification fight it’s been years you could sell the ppv just off this alone

 

[patscorpio]

Wilder vs aj will make over 200 mily easily between ppv sales in the us and internationally and it’s the biggest fight out here and it’s history involved in this fight when is the last time we seen a heavyweight unification fight it’s been years you could sell the ppv just off this alone

Breh we've just seen a HW title unification last year between Femi and Parker

 

[reservoirdogs]

bruh...this time last year they were offering him $15 mill flat and a year later it's $40 plus mill flat. After he flattens Breazeale, that number increases, no? Nobody still never answered how much would AJ take home if Wilder had to accept a flat fee. Also, what happens if Wilder accepted the deal and then AJ loses to Big Baby via KO and has an immediate rematch...what's Wilder to do then? What happens to the contract?

That price won’t rise forever. Why Wilder knocking out Breazeale would make them raise the offer? It’s the minimum they expected from him when they offered him those 3 fights. Him beating Breazeale was calculated in their offer for the Joshua fight. He is a big favorite against Breazeale and it’s a regular Showtime fight where he more than likely won’t get as much as DAZN’s 20M.

As for those contract details idk but they seem like minor, solveable thing if someone is open to the offer.
We have seen some times fighters agreeing to meet each other if they (either one ir both) win their next fight. Most often it goes according to the plan if there’s an upset then it goes to the trash but that’s always been the case, not new anyhow. Canelo signed to fight GGG next too before his Chavez fight iirc.