Antonio Tarver, 10 years ago today: "Yeah, I got a question.....you got any excuses tonight Roy?!"

[King P]

Yea but wasn't Douglas knocked down for 13 seconds?

 

[Big Boss]

why did the ref and the ringside official have 2 different counts?

 

[King P]

why did the ref and the ringside official have 2 different counts?

Because the ringside official started too early. Remember, the ref's count is the only one that matters.

I spoke in this in another thread, the rules state ref isn't suppose to start counting until the other fighter is in a neutral corner. When Buster got knocked down, Tyson was being directed to a neutral corner before the ref counted. The ringside official started immediately when Buster fell down.

Like I said, the ref's count is the only one that matters. And the count was legit

 

[Big Boss]

he nearly got knocked the fukk out in that one too...11th round tarver hit him with a right hook that made him do the achy breaky to the ropes..tarver gassing out trying to stop him after that saved him from that KO

@ 59:35

 

[Big Boss]

Because the ringside official started too early. Remember, the ref's count is the only one that matters.

I spoke in this in another thread, the rules state ref isn't suppose to start counting until the other fighter is in a neutral corner. When Buster got knocked down, Tyson was being directed to a neutral corner before the ref counted. The ringside official started immediately when Buster fell down.

Like I said, the ref's count is the only one that matters. And the count was legit

can't argue against that

 

[Achille]

I am die hard RJJ fan and I'll give Tarver props for fighting Jones at the right time but the Roy he fought was a shell of himself. Til this day I believe if Roy fought Tarver before going up to fight Ruiz Tarver's name would of been added as one of the bums that the critics talk about. Taking the weight off definitely hurt Roy from HW to LHW at 36 of age he was never the same fighter. Any nutritionist or trainer will tell you this is very damaging to the body in that short period time. A lot of people don't know how the human body works. Even Makie Shilstone the guy that helped Bulk Roy up to HW and Jones used him again for Tarver 2 but the damage was already done from the weight lost from first fight.

Here's an interview that I posted on this site a few times stating the facts about the damage weight lost can do from Mackie Shilstone who has also worked with Michael Spinks and Benard Hopkins as well. As of late It seems factual logic gets overlooked nowadays.

Click the link for full interview:

BOXINGTALK : EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: MACKIE SHILSTONE

June 12, 2008

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: MACKIE SHILSTONE

By Krishen Rangi

How much of an issue is a fighter moving up taking the naturally bigger guy's shots. What have Spinks, Jones, Hopkins, guys like that said about their ability to absorb punches at higher weights?

I don't know of any fighter in the business of taking punches. Depends on the fighter if he has the power to take the punches. It's as much mental as it is physical. In the Jones/Ruiz fight we wanted to break his nose, that was the plan. We knew Ruiz had broken his nose in the Holyfield fight, and Roy broke his nose in the 6th round. He couldnt breathe out of it after that.

What happened to Roy Jones when he went back down to light-heavyweight to fight Tarver after you had helped him move up and beat Ruiz for the heavyweight title?

You have to remember Roy is such a talented athlete. The muscle that was put on is very difficult to take off. It was a very tough fight. Draining to anyone but he ended up winning. The same thing happended to Tarver when he did the Rocky movie. He was in the 220s then he came down and he was compromised against Bernard. I would have liked to see Roy stay at heavyweight, and I told him that. I think Roy would have beaten Tyson. I think Roy would have beaten Holyfield, but the fights weren't there. Muscle is not easy to take off, it affects your immune system.

How much did Roy weigh for the Ruiz fight?

200 lbs.

There was a story circulating he had weights in his pocket and he really weighed 193.
Before we went down for the weigh-in we were all kidding what Roy would weigh. Roy had been in the range of 199-200. What happned was Roy got on the scale and a fight broke out between Alton Merkerson and Ruiz's camp. Mark Ratner who was doing the weigh-in never let the scale adjust because the fight had broke out. I know Mark, and told him that's not his weight you should correct it. When Roy went to the hotel room and got on the scale he was laughing and saying "I can't believe it". He takes his shirt off and steps on the scale, and this is on the documentary ESPN did called "The Sweet Science". Mark Ratner was there too. I told him to call HBO so they wouldn't think it was rebound weight and they mentioned that on the broadcast.

 

[King P]

Til this day I believe if Roy fought Tarver before going up to fight Ruiz Tarver's name would of been added as one of the bums that the critics talk about.

Yes he would have.

If you remember, Tarver was Roy's mandatory in 2000. But Roy wrote a letter to the IBF questioning Tarver's credentials and suggesting that he partake in a title eliminator match against the #2 guy (Harding) which he lost. But when you looked at Tarver's resume at the time, you can't disagree with what Jones was saying. Tarver only had 15 wins at the name, none of them coming against anybody significant. Had Jones fought and beat Tarver in 2000, Tarver definitely woulda been added to the list of "bums" Roy fought. He woulda been no different than a Clinton Woods

 

[gho3st]

I've been three times watching sports:
1)Ronaldo's back to back knee injuries in 99-00
2)Roy Jones getting knocked out by Tarver
3) Kobe going down with that achilles injury

 

[Grifter]

Tarver almost knocked out the camera too.

 

[Achille]

Yes he would have.

If you remember, Tarver was Roy's mandatory in 2000. But Roy wrote a letter to the IBF questioning Tarver's credentials and suggesting that he partake in a title eliminator match against the #2 guy (Harding) which he lost. But when you looked at Tarver's resume at the time, you can't disagree with what Jones was saying. Tarver only had 15 wins at the name, none of them coming against anybody significant. Had Jones fought and beat Tarver in 2000, Tarver definitely woulda been added to the list of "bums" Roy fought. He woulda been no different than a Clinton Woods

Pretty much that's how it is, this is the way the haters/critics can try to discredit Roy. Jones was planned on fighting Tarver before the move up in weight but he got the money he wanted to fight Ruiz so he didn't pass up the opportunity. So it wasn't rocket science why he moved up since HBO he only got 4-6 million no matter who he fought. The Ruiz fight he got 10 million guaranteed up front and whatever else the pay per view does. Not a lot a money today but back then it was before Haymon was in the game.

Even though Jones looked like sh!t the first Tarver fight he really gutted out that performance. People still want to overlook what he did in that fight, he finally looked vulnerable but he was the first man in 106 years to win HW title and then go back down to get LHW title.

 

[krackdagawd]

I am die hard RJJ fan and I'll give Tarver props for fighting Jones at the right time but the Roy he fought was a shell of himself. Til this day I believe if Roy fought Tarver before going up to fight Ruiz Tarver's name would of been added as one of the bums that the critics talk about. Taking the weight off definitely hurt Roy from HW to LHW at 36 of age he was never the same fighter. Any nutritionist or trainer will tell you this is very damaging to the body in that short period time. A lot of people don't know how the human body works. Even Makie Shilstone the guy that helped Bulk Roy up to HW and Jones used him again for Tarver 2 but the damage was already done from the weight lost from first fight.

Here's an interview that I posted on this site a few times stating the facts about the damage weight lost can do from Mackie Shilstone who has also worked with Michael Spinks and Benard Hopkins as well. As of late It seems factual logic gets overlooked nowadays.

Click the link for full interview:

BOXINGTALK : EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: MACKIE SHILSTONE

Sounds like excuses

And I know exactly how the human body works Roy was damn near single digit bf as a light heavy and bulked up to heavy in single digits as well.

You expect me to believe he did that naturally? Especially a fighter with a history of usage already?

Roy out here writing letters not to fight Tarver

Sounds to me like Tarver knew he had Roy's number and Roy knew as well.

 

[Achille]

Sounds like excuses

And I know exactly how the human body works Roy was damn near single digit bf as a light heavy and bulked up to heavy in single digits as well.

You expect me to believe he did that naturally? Especially a fighter with a history of usage already?

Roy out here writing letters not to fight Tarver

Sounds to me like Tarver knew he had Roy's number and Roy knew as well.

Sounds like the same excuses Tarver was making after he lost to Hopkins too right. Talking about all the weight he put on for the Rocky movie.

 

[krackdagawd]

Sounds like the same excuses Tarver was making after he lost to Hopkins too right. Talking about all the weight he put on for the Rocky movie.

Tarver got his ass whooped just like Roy did.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

was tarver v hopkins the same night/bill as cotto vs malinaggi?

 

[AITheAnswerAI]

@ 59:35

Why couldn't he keep fighting like he did in round 5 That shyt was beautiful