"Anti-obesity: The new homophobia?"

[88m3]

I'm just saying stay on topic breh....

The best indicator to looks for is Mowgis posts?

Did Mowgli come across as defensive perhaps even threatened?

What's ktls opinion?

 

[No1]

Just to let it be known, I didn't let the cism in here slide and cats have been given warnings.

 

[Serious]

This is where I find the attempt to better oneself begins to turns for the worse. They'll have an epiphany about their current health status and begin to visualize the steps they'll need to take. Automatically they'll assume they need to do whats being marketed to them (p90x, insanity, lots of cardio, full fledged weight training program, eat specifically THESE foods, no carbs, no fats, macro this, micro that, etc), become overwhelmed, and turtle back into their sedentary lifestyle. The last thing an obese person should worry about is what a body builder is doing. Chances are their protocol is more than what they currently need.

I think on a large scale this is why a lot of people novice to weight training automatically assume that bench pressing and bicep curls are lucrative lifts to be proud of in the gym. When to a more advanced lifter or athlete these two exercises could be deemed less of a priority. There are various other exercises that work a whole lot better at maintaining one's physique, by using minimal effort in the gym, yet implementing a wide range of motion. Thus, why, I'm able to sneak with my size, by just hitting the gym a mere 3-4 times a week. Basically every other day. Sometimes even twice a week. It's not the end of the world or my workout regime, if life happens(party, work, new J/O)

When it comes to weight loss advice, it is all about CONTEXT. This barely happens in the fitness industry for whatever reason. Obese people DON'T need much to return to baseline health. Almost any form of dieting at a deficit will cut somebody down to the 20-25% BF mark with ease. But how do you make money telling somebody that, ya know? Like you said, the bad diets tend to cause relapses. These are usually the ones that don't teach good food habits to benefit the dieter long term. Cutting out an entire food group does no good long term for somebody 50+lbs overweight. Eating only one food group is just as bad. Sadly, these type of diets stand out the most because of their novelty or shock value.

Exactly, there's sohh much misinformation in the realm of dieting, but at the same time, I'm not going preach like some health guru / nazi, who doesn't indulge in certain foods I shouldn't or knows everything about everything. A lot of current nutrition is up in the air. Pretty much everyday, I'll see something to likes of this is bad / good for you. But certain things should be fundamental, such as eating vegetables and "limiting" processed foods. Limiting portion size and caloric intake.

It's not the kids fault, there's a stigma with bringing weight to a child's attention. I swear there have been times where some parents are more hesitant to talk about weight issues than sex with their kid.

Imo this is no better than child abuse or endangerment. Not knowing is not an excuse in the digital age. It's like my philosophy why remain stupid and ignorant, when there's sohh much information out there available to you at your disposable(disclaimer: information should only be used to supplement previous knowledge).

One thing I do wish is for calorie counting, food measuring, and portion control to be taught in high school health classes. These are skills that can be applied every single day (just like basic math and money). These simple skills can drastically change how one approaches food. Will it stick with everyone? Probably not. I like the idea of bringing awareness to a skillset you can use for the rest of your life, though, directly influencing your well being. Maybe this would change the perception of calorie counting as a burden to many people.

Interesting.....

sort of like a health / chemistry class.....

This would never work breh. I can't tell you how many people never grasp basic concepts of science or nutrition classes after about 5 minutes, people tend to just drop off the face of the earth into La La La land.....

It wouldn't hurt to try, but damn there's got to be a better way of informing the masses....

You have a good point. I said earlier in this thread that an obese person could get to a manageable weight with some calorie cutting and moderate exercise. I do believe in that. Not everyone has or should be a ripped brolic athlete looking human. But even with moderate exercise, the obese struggle a lot. The key isnt necessarily intensity I think, it is consistency. Despite there being more info and talk on weight loss out there today, I think the solution was simpler for a lot of people even in the 90s. Basically, stay active and eat healthier. The huge overwhelming amount of info/viewpoints even swamps people interested in it like us. The fitness industry... ... It's crazy how much stupid bullshyt is thrown at you, how many accessories, supplements, and all sorts of crap are recommended to dudes just looking to get in even a little shape . Even for relatively straight forward activities like lifting and running. Thats why p90 is so popular. There are even more sensible and efficient calisthenics programs out there, but they dont have the branding, the bullshyt, the fad energy.

Exactly, IMO, there are various forms of being aesthetic. Not everyone has to be Joe Sixpack, Reggie Bush or Serious( ) to be considered fit. For example, Sly, get's sh*tted on the Coli because he's not some massive cat. But in reality breh is perfectly fit.

From my experience, humans like to automatically associate, bigger with better. I get a lot of acknowledgement whenever I go on a bulk, yet receive half the praise, when I'm perfectly cut, unless I take my shirt off, of course. Random people will come to say, damn you look a lot slimmer since xyz, are still working out. My answer is like . I have to explain to them, when I lose a couple pounds, it means my abs are 100% on point. My lifts are top notch, my endurance is a lot more tolerable etc, meanwhile when I'm big, I'm way more lethargic, less alert and slower than speciation

THIS is why I'm so straightforward about obesity as an epidemic. These kids live their lives demoralized from their own body issues, getting shyt on in gym class, and suffering because nobody wants to help them. The way some of these parents do their kids, feeding them junk every day, making them fat, shyt breaks my heart, truly. And we cant keep demonizing kids being fat as some sort of shame source, but rather an area of improvement. If theres one thing I dislike about liberal attitudes, its the reluctance to withhold the bitter medicine that encompasses many lessons in life. Sometimes in life you need that, the adversity, the failure, the longing.

IDK, day by day, I become less tolerant.

I believe we need to have civics seminars in high school, and health classes need to talk about nutrition as much as sex. If i knew an inkling of what i do about nutrition now in high school...

see spliff post

 

[Serious]

A study, which surveyed 1,043 Georgia families with children ages 11 and younger, shows that a large percentage of parents are in denial about their own children’s obesity issues.

According to the result, 42 percent of the surveyed families have overweight or obese kids. Of those families, 76 percent of the parents misclassified their children as either underweight or normal weight, the United Press International reports.

Dr. Stephanie Walsh, medical director of wellness at Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta, noted that many parents fear engaging in a discussion about weight and body issues with their kids more than the talks about sex and drugs.

Walsh recommends that in order for parents to effectively talk with their kids about the problem of childhood obesity, they should have an honest conversation with themselves about family health risks, as well as the habits and the kind of role models they want to be for their children.

“It’s time for parents to be stronger than the thoughts that hold them back,” Walsh said in a statement.

In the United States, childhood obesity has more than tripled in the past 30 years. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention noted that the percentage of children aged 6–11 years in the country who were obese increased from 7 percent in 1980 to nearly 20 percent in 2008. Similarly, the percentage of adolescents aged 12–19 years who were obese increased from 5 percent to 18 percent over the same period.

Children who are obese are more likely to be obese as adults , and therefore making them more vulnerable to a lot of health risks, including heart disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, several types of cancer, and osteoarthritis.

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/news/articles/2012/09/10/overweight-teens-typically-eat-

Big Pharma bout to be for years to come

 

[Hussein Fonzarelli]

Fat Parade with sad gluttonous walruses strutting their mant*ts and muffin top tops while eatin cheese burgers and cakes with some dumb self-empowering "we aint fat we gourmet" signs

in 5.....4....3....2..........

 

[Serious]

Here's a better study that I've waiting for . The obesity epidemic, is a little more complex, than just assuming that everyone overweight, is a slob whom uncontrollably consumes Mcdonalds 3-4 times a day on some supersize me steeze. Unfortunately, I've seen numerous videos which depict overweight people as addicts who can't help devour 4-5 servings of Mcdonalds for breakfast every day and are ashamed of themselves. But that's simply not the case for everyone. You’d actually be surprised at the garbage, I’ll from time to time. Let me put it like this, I can a bunch of super high calorie snacks like cake, pudding, ice cream etc, yet never gain an ounce of fat. The only thing that slows down my metabolism is alcohol, to be more specific beer. Shots have little effect on me. But with beer, fat just accumulates; I can literally feel the weight gain coming....

Now for the study, I highlighted the important ish.....

MONDAY, Sept. 10 (HealthDay News) -- As expected, young children who are overweight consume more calories each day than do their thinner peers, a new study says.

But, in a decidedly unexpected finding, the researchers also discovered that older overweight children may actually consume fewer calories daily compared to their healthy-weight counterparts.

"The message for society and parents is: Don't assume that a child who's overweight is overeating.Obesity isn't just a simple matter of eating more," said study author Asheley Cockrell Skinner, an assistant professor of pediatrics at the University of North Carolina, in Chapel Hill. "Be sympathetic. Overweight children reported eating fewer calories, and to lose weight, these kids have to eat even less. It's probably even harder for them to lose weight than we give them credit for."

Results of the study were published online Sept. 10 and in the October print issue of the journal Pediatrics.

The study included dietary information from nearly 13,000 children between the ages of 1 and 17. The information came from U.S. National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, which was conducted from 2001 to 2008. The population included in this study is representative of the U.S. population.

The food-consumption data were collected on two separate days, and children and their parents were asked to recall what the child had eaten in the last 24 hours and how much they ate of any particular food. The researchers had a number of representative measuring devices to try to get the best approximation of portion size that they could.

[bIn young children, the researchers found that obese and overweight children tended to consume more calories. For example, in 3- to 5-year-olds, overweight girls consumed an average of 1,721 calories a day compared to 1,578 calories a day for their healthy weight peers. In boys of the same age, the overweight group consumed 1,809 calories a day vs. 1,668 calories a day for the normal-weight children.

But, as the children got older, the overweight and obese children began eating less than their healthy-weight peers. Between the ages of 12 and 14, overweight girls consumed about 1,794 calories a day compared to 1,893 calories daily for normal-weight girls. In boys of the same age, the overweight young men consumed about 2,209 calories daily compared to 2,291 for normal-weight boys.[/b]

Cockrell Skinner and her colleagues believe that activity may play a big role in these findings.

"Overweight children tend to be less active," she said, but added that other factors are likely at play. "The body has complex reactions to how much you eat, when you eat and your activity levels. And, we just don't completely understand these reactions yet," she explained.

Another expert agreed that a variety of factors influence body weight.

"There's no question that overweight and obesity are multi-factorial. Some of it is caloric intake, some of it is genetic components, some is changes that happen in your metabolism, and new research suggests that the bacteria that live in us are different in normal and overweight individuals. So, there are a lot of interesting components that contribute to weight gain, and we're not sure how to change them all," said Dr. Edith Chernoff, director of Premier Kids at La Rabida Children's Hospital, in Chicago.

"The things you can control are how much you eat and how active you are," she noted.

If your child is already overweight, Cockrell Skinner said it's important to encourage activity. And, she said, even though overweight children may already be eating fewer calories, if they eat even less, they will lose weight.

"The younger you address these issues, the more you'll end up with healthy adults," Chernoff said.

Both experts stressed that preventing overweight and obesity is crucial. "It's easier to stay at a healthy weight than to try to lose weight and maintain the weight loss," said Chernoff.

That's why educating parents and children about proper portion sizes is very important, Chernoff said. Parents often worry that their children aren't eating enough, but a child will eat significantly less than an adult, and in general, "the child is usually eating what they need," she said.

Cockrell Skinner said that problems arise in young children when parents push their children to eat more after they're full

Overweight Teens Typically Eat Less Than Normal-Weight Peers - US News and World Report

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Serious, you're bringing back some painful memories with that

I was a fat kid till i started TKD in about 2nd grade. Growing up in an Indian household with parents from a 3rd world country, they always say shyt like "finish your food" Even when you're clearly not very hungry. Thats why so many indian kids be fat as fukk here in the US. We generally have smaller bodies than the average white or black person, yet the portion sizes we're given here are the same. Big mistake. 90s babies especially are subject to a lot of bullshyt when it came to development and food, everything from BPA in bottles to extreme low fat diets to all sorts of crazy shyt being put in our food supply. It makes me think we've been the recipient of a lot of developmental shortcomings as a result.

Also its pretty crazy how these differences of only like 100-300 calories between the obese and normal weight children seem to be correlated with such a huge difference. Human biochemistry and metabolism is some weird weird shyt. Honestly if i was going into research, there we go.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Exactly, there's sohh much misinformation in the realm of dieting, but at the same time, I'm not going preach like some health guru / nazi, who doesn't indulge in certain foods I shouldn't or knows everything about everything. A lot of current nutrition is up in the air. Pretty much everyday, I'll see something to likes of this is bad / good for you. But certain things should be fundamental, such as eating vegetables and "limiting" processed foods. Limiting portion size and caloric intake.

Also cause you dont wanna be that dude that wrote up a comprehensive "definitive" diet plan to end all diet plans then have some research come out in like 3 months and have it completely throw your entire set of theories in the bushes

Exactly, IMO, there are various forms of being aesthetic. Not everyone has to be Joe Sixpack, Reggie Bush or Serious( ) to be considered fit. For example, Sly, get's sh*tted on the Coli because he's not some massive cat. But in reality breh is perfectly fit.

From my experience, humans like to automatically associate, bigger with better. I get a lot of acknowledgement whenever I go on a bulk, yet receive half the praise, when I'm perfectly cut, unless I take my shirt off, of course. Random people will come to say, damn you look a lot slimmer since xyz, are still working out. My answer is like . I have to explain to them, when I lose a couple pounds, it means my abs are 100% on point. My lifts are top notch, my endurance is a lot more tolerable etc, meanwhile when I'm big, I'm way more lethargic, less alert and slower than speciation

I fukking hate this shyt honestly. You can be like 20% bodyfat all bulked up and dudes will be givin you compliments left and right. On some "you look swole breh" shyt. I came back this summer and dudes were saying that same shyt, have you been working out? You look like you lost weight? Stopped lifting ( I did tho ) etc, and they dont understand until they see me in a tank. I agree that Sly doesnt get the props he deserves, he has managed to get a well cut body and honestly hoes prefer that look for the most part.

I know what you're saying about the difference mentally/performance wise on a bulk. That being said, i do feel fatigued on a cut sometimes. Im not gonna lie you sound like Cell sonning Trunks on some "you're too slow" shyt..

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xngmpen6uhY]Trunks vs Perfect Cell Part 3 [2K HD] - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Serious]

Serious, you're bringing back some painful memories with that

I was a fat kid till i started TKD in about 2nd grade. Growing up in an Indian household with parents from a 3rd world country, they always say shyt like "finish your food" Even when you're clearly not very hungry. Thats why so many indian kids be fat as fukk here in the US.

Idk breh,I got mixed feelings about this, most of the Indians I know out here, are on that super duper organic swag. There still were some overweight cats, but they consumed a lot of milk and dabble into the western diet. I've noticed a lot of Indians cook their food, and eat lot of green vegetables.

We generally have smaller bodies than the average white or black person, yet the portion sizes we're given here are the same. Big mistake. 90s babies especially are subject to a lot of bullshyt when it came to development and food, everything from BPA in bottles to extreme low fat diets to all sorts of crazy shyt being put in our food supply. It makes me think we've been the recipient of a lot of developmental shortcomings as a result.

Also its pretty crazy how these differences of only like 100-300 calories between the obese and normal weight children seem to be correlated with such a huge difference. Human biochemistry and metabolism is some weird weird shyt. Honestly if i was going into research, there we go.

Yeah, ummm, it's been consider, but that's some real science. I don't think I'd be able to sleep at night, pursuing a career in that....

OT: Breh I just found about a new branch of science last night.

Quantum Biophysics(pretty straight forward, the name is self-explanatory) Idk why I'm surprised
http://www.physics.drexel.edu/~bob/Term_Reports/Zhou_Di.pdf

and there's also Quantum Biophysical Chemistry

Heck, biochemistry is just now becoming mainstream at numerous universities. Biophysics is slowly coming up too.

But Quantum Biophysical Chemistry, most people struggle grasping basic remedial chemistry.

STEM, just keeps on gaining momentum.......

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Idk breh,I got mixed feelings about this, most of the Indians I know out here, are on that super duper organic swag. There still were some overweight cats, but they consumed a lot of milk and dabble into the western diet. I've noticed a lot of Indians cook their food, and eat lot of green vegetables.

Nowadays yeah because everyone's seeing the older generation get from diabetes. in fact, that's why I started doing athletics and such, cause my family members started dropping like flies. The standard indian diet varies widely. The basic makeup of an at home meal for me was pretty solid, veggies, some meat, maybe some yogurt. The problem is the carbs. Indians eat bread AND rice (italian style 2 carbs) and they eat a lot of it. Bread is basically a substitute for a fork when it comes to a lot of dishes. Couple that with indians being big on sweets and fruit and people are fukked. Not a lot of indians are FAT, but a lot of them are chunky and a lil pudgy. That comes from an unbalanced diet in terms of macros, little cultural emphasis on exercise (see that lack of olympic medals ) and also having to deal with the caloric intake from western culture outside of school. I cant eat nearly as much as the average white or black dude.

Yeah, ummm, it's been consider, but that's some real science. I don't think I'd be able to sleep at night, pursuing a career in that....

OT: Breh I just found about a new branch of science last night.

Quantum Biophysics(pretty straight forward, the name is self-explanatory)
http://www.physics.drexel.edu/~bob/Term_Reports/Zhou_Di.pdf

and there's also Quantum Biophysical Chemistry

Heck, biochemistry is just now becoming mainstream at numerous universities. Biophysics is slowly coming up too.

But Quantum Biophysical Chemistry, most people struggle grasping basic remedial chemistry.

STEM, just keeps on gaining movement.......

I know a dude doing biophysics. He's always talmbout how his classes are very seminar-y... It's mostly applications, because people havent managed to narrow down even the basic curriculum of just information for dudes to learn in the classes. The interdisciplinary classes are fukking HARD though. I took biochem this summer, shyt was a test of my mettle and attention span. My ADD ass was suffering... I see my friend take Physical Chemistry as well, he suffered.

I'm taking Topics in Biomedical Science now... it's a course taught by St. Jude researchers, not teachers, and that shyt is intense. These dudes are studying molecular level cutting edge shyt EXACTLY like they were talking about in that PDF, protein chaperone interaction and gene expression, protein degradation and destruction. its honestly hard as fukk.

If you want I can post some of my lecture notes...
Im being taught by one of these guys (joel otero)

http://www.einstein.yu.edu/uploadedFiles/LABS/Erik-Snapp/Lai2012JBCERdj4.pdf

 

[Serious]

Nowadays yeah because everyone's seeing the older generation get from diabetes. in fact, that's why I started doing athletics and such, cause my family members started dropping like flies. The standard indian diet varies widely. The basic makeup of an at home meal for me was pretty solid, veggies, some meat, maybe some yogurt. The problem is the carbs. Indians eat bread AND rice (italian style 2 carbs) and they eat a lot of it. Bread is basically a substitute for a fork when it comes to a lot of dishes. Couple that with indians being big on sweets and fruit and people are fukked. Not a lot of indians are FAT, but a lot of them are chunky and a lil pudgy. That comes from an unbalanced diet in terms of macros, little cultural emphasis on exercise (see that lack of olympic medals ) and also having to deal with the caloric intake from western culture outside of school. I cant eat nearly as much as the average white or black dude.


I know a dude doing biophysics. He's always talmbout how his classes are very seminar-y... It's mostly applications, because people havent managed to narrow down even the basic curriculum of just information for dudes to learn in the classes. The interdisciplinary classes are fukking HARD though. I took biochem this summer, shyt was a test of my mettle and attention span. My ADD ass was suffering... I see my friend take Physical Chemistry as well, he suffered.

I'm taking Topics in Biomedical Science now... it's a course taught by St. Jude researchers, not teachers, and that shyt is intense. These dudes are studying molecular level cutting edge shyt EXACTLY like they were talking about in that PDF, protein chaperone interaction and gene expression, protein degradation and destruction. its honestly hard as fukk.

If you want I can post some of my lecture notes...
Im being taught by one of these guys (joel otero)

http://www.einstein.yu.edu/uploadedFiles/LABS/Erik-Snapp/Lai2012JBCERdj4.pdf

Hell yeah, anything for future reference would be great.

Honestly this stuff is . I keep thinking about how you can study / absorb all this information and still know nothing. I wouldn't be surprised if majority of the retention rate from researchers stems from on the job training / experience. I keep thinking back to the documentary "Doctors Diaries" where Harvard Graduate students with impeccable GPA's in undergrad, struggled to make it through Med School and Residency.

Cot damn this stuff is insane