"Anti-obesity: The new homophobia?"

[acri1]

I've never been on a diet a day in my life (definitely don't count calories), and I don't really exercise that much. And I'm like 155 soaking wet.

I'm convinced there has to be a lot of genetics involved, going by what yall say I should weigh 500 pounds...

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You are bragging about getting reps and dap on a hip-hop forum for making homophobic and hateful statements. That's comedy.

For one i wasn't bragging, for two I've never made a homophobic remark on this forum. You didn't answer my question.

How is what I posted considered homophobic, while at the same time Kool g traps statement was totally acceptable?

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

You are bragging about getting reps and dap on a hip-hop forum for making homophobic and hateful statements as if that was the general consensus of America when in reality your views are on the fringe. That's comedy.

I don't think Meach is a homophobe actually. I just think he's trying to make a statistically retarded false equivalency argument and shytting my thread up in the process. I dont even care about him stooping to the lowness of taking subs at me racially (how would people react here if I did the same?), its the clogging up of the discussion thats bad. I can abide stupidity, even hate filled comments, but I dislike the derailing of what could be a good conversation over solutions to the obesity issue over one man's pride.


I wouldnt mind doing a fitness/health podcast. I really liked Serious's idea about spending some time talking about time balance, which is easily one of the biggest factors contributing to obesity. It would be a nice collaboration between HL and The Gym.

 

[Spliff]

You and Spliff hit the nail on the head. With diet and exercise, even if youre giving it your all as an beginning/intermediate bodybuilder its always a battle 2 steps forward, 1 step back. Dieting can definitely cause people to lapse and binge very easily, I see it in tons of individuals and I cant tell you how many of my brehs havent gotten what they could out of a cut because they couldnt manage it. i've definitely fukked a couple up myself not getting my macros right or going out and getting drunk and eating chicken tenders with my friends and shyt () and thats natural. People dont wanna restrict themselves. And theres a reason people fail to make weight so often in fight sports: cutting fukking sucks, people get cranky as fukk, depressed, lethargic... And those are trained, paid, often highly motivated athletes, not everyday people! This is why i like some of what Marks Daily Apple has to say about food reward and such; i think its extremely relevant, especially in our current environment where hidden calories are everywhere, and it can be very different to manage your macronutrient intake unless you are handling the numbers YOURSELF.

This is where I find the attempt to better oneself begins to turns for the worse. They'll have an epiphany about their current health status and begin to visualize the steps they'll need to take. Automatically they'll assume they need to do whats being marketed to them (p90x, insanity, lots of cardio, full fledged weight training program, eat specifically THESE foods, no carbs, no fats, macro this, micro that, etc), become overwhelmed, and turtle back into their sedentary lifestyle. The last thing an obese person should worry about is what a body builder is doing. Chances are their protocol is more than what they currently need.

When it comes to weight loss advice, it is all about CONTEXT. This barely happens in the fitness industry for whatever reason. Obese people DON'T need much to return to baseline health. Almost any form of dieting at a deficit will cut somebody down to the 20-25% BF mark with ease. But how do you make money telling somebody that, ya know? Like you said, the bad diets tend to cause relapses. These are usually the ones that don't teach good food habits to benefit the dieter long term. Cutting out an entire food group does no good long term for somebody 50+lbs overweight. Eating only one food group is just as bad. Sadly, these type of diets stand out the most because of their novelty or shock value.

What really frustrates me, is when I see the kids who are overweight.

It's not the kids fault, there's a stigma with bringing weight to a child's attention. I swear there have been times where some parents are more hesitant to talk about weight issues than sex with their kid.

One thing I do wish is for calorie counting, food measuring, and portion control to be taught in high school health classes. These are skills that can be applied every single day (just like basic math and money). These simple skills can drastically change how one approaches food. Will it stick with everyone? Probably not. I like the idea of bringing awareness to a skillset you can use for the rest of your life, though, directly influencing your well being. Maybe this would change the perception of calorie counting as a burden to many people.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

This is where I find the attempt to better oneself begins to turns for the worse. They'll have an epiphany about their current health status and begin to visualize the steps they'll need to take. Automatically they'll assume they need to do whats being marketed to them (p90x, insanity, lots of cardio, full fledged weight training program, eat specifically THESE foods, no carbs, no fats, macro this, micro that, etc), become overwhelmed, and turtle back into their sedentary lifestyle. The last thing an obese person should worry about is what a body builder is doing. Chances are their protocol is more than what they currently need.

When it comes to weight loss advice, it is all about CONTEXT. This barely happens in the fitness industry for whatever reason. Obese people DON'T need much to return to baseline health. Almost any form of dieting at a deficit will cut somebody down to the 20-25% BF mark with ease. But how do you make money telling somebody that, ya know? Like you said, the bad diets tend to cause relapses. These are usually the ones that don't teach good food habits to benefit the dieter long term. Cutting out an entire food group does no good long term for somebody 50+lbs overweight. Eating only one food group is just as bad. Sadly, these type of diets stand out the most because of their novelty or shock value.

You have a good point. I said earlier in this thread that an obese person could get to a manageable weight with some calorie cutting and moderate exercise. I do believe in that. Not everyone has or should be a ripped brolic athlete looking human. But even with moderate exercise, the obese struggle a lot. The key isnt necessarily intensity I think, it is consistency. Despite there being more info and talk on weight loss out there today, I think the solution was simpler for a lot of people even in the 90s. Basically, stay active and eat healthier. The huge overwhelming amount of info/viewpoints even swamps people interested in it like us. The fitness industry... ... It's crazy how much stupid bullshyt is thrown at you, how many accessories, supplements, and all sorts of crap are recommended to dudes just looking to get in even a little shape . Even for relatively straight forward activities like lifting and running. Thats why p90 is so popular. There are even more sensible and efficient calisthenics programs out there, but they dont have the branding, the bullshyt, the fad energy.

It's not the kids fault, there's a stigma with bringing weight to a child's attention. I swear there have been times where some parents are more hesitant to talk about weight issues than sex with their kid.

One thing I do wish is for calorie counting, food measuring, and portion control to be taught in high school health classes. These are skills that can be applied every single day (just like basic math and money). These simple skills can drastically change how one approaches food. Will it stick with everyone? Probably not. I like the idea of bringing awareness to a skillset you can use for the rest of your life, though, directly influencing your well being. Maybe this would change the perception of calorie counting as a burden to many people.

THIS is why I'm so straightforward about obesity as an epidemic. These kids live their lives demoralized from their own body issues, getting shyt on in gym class, and suffering because nobody wants to help them. The way some of these parents do their kids, feeding them junk every day, making them fat, shyt breaks my heart, truly. And we cant keep demonizing kids being fat as some sort of shame source, but rather an area of improvement. If theres one thing I dislike about liberal attitudes, its the reluctance to withhold the bitter medicine that encompasses many lessons in life. Sometimes in life you need that, the adversity, the failure, the longing.

I believe we need to have civics seminars in high school, and health classes need to talk about nutrition as much as sex. If i knew an inkling of what i do about nutrition now in high school...

 

[the cac mamba]

let's stay on topic and eliminate that racial component, because point numerous black people are severely overweight / borderline obese. Not every black person has the body of Tyson beckford or Halle Berry

whos talkin about body types

 

[Serious]

whos talkin about body types

I'm just saying stay on topic breh....

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

whos talkin about body types

If my ethnicity has you that shook () then PM me and we can talk about it

otherwise, contribute or KIM, friend.

 

[the cac mamba]

If my ethnicity has you that shook () then PM me and we can talk about it

otherwise, contribute or KIM, friend.

shook of what

 

[promethius]

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

shook of what

your bank account

 

[the cac mamba]

your bank account

typical wack indian response


there was a million of you at college, polluting the air with your wackness. i walked in on a bunch of indians cookin one time n it smelled like they were roasting a shytty diaper

 

[Insensitive]

Damn this topic hits home.

 

[humble Hermit]

Fat fakkits

 

[Serious]

There's a couple post I've been meaning to reply too. But I'm too lazy to type out a formal response