Anthony Edwards - "Nobody had skill back in the day, MJ was the only one."

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Jordan himself said his career would have been different.

Did you even comprehend the words?

So what are supposed to do with this?

 

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So what are supposed to do with this?

Realize that Michael Jordan was one of the greatest players ever, but that he wasn't some deity levitating above the rest of us. He had flaws. He had help...in a lot of ways. And he wouldn't have had the same career (or a better one) if circumstances were different.

 

[El Poyo Loco]

But they keep saying a person that seen many generations is invalid, lol. Skip has validity by being an old journalist.

NFL is different. Terry Bradshaw will tell you out his mouth he wasn't very skilled and will Tell you the 90s guys like Aikman and Steve Young would be even better in the 2020s and don't go by their stats alone.

Also Dan Marino was throwing 4k yards consistently with receivers nobody feared and all he needed was a Rice or Irvin or Don Shula not shytting the bed in the playoffs he would have a ring Marino might put up 6k yards in today's game he was that good a qb

 

[premier58]

Also Dan Marino was throwing 4k yards consistently with receivers nobody feared and all he needed was a Rice or Irvin or Don Shula not shytting the bed in the playoffs he would have a ring Marino might put up 6k yards in today's game he was that good a qb

I understand your general premise, but no one will ever put up 6,000 passing yards. Also, at Marino's statistical peak, he had Clayton/Duper. They were definitely feared by NFL defenses

 

[DetroitEWarren]

Also wanted to add, that Anthony Edwards the guy talking, couldn't handle a simple double team, help defense being sent towards him in the playoffs

Guys like Jordan Kobe Shaq etc had to deal with this especially in the playoffs on a nightly basis and get creative to avoid them and still get quality shots off. Many players in the 90s commanded double teams and beat them.

So before ant man talks about skills let's figure that one out on your part first buddy. Teams sent not even a hard double towards him but a soft help and recover kind of double towards him and he looked flabbergasted, lost , confused on how to beat it. Let's get that together first ant man before we go declaring another era don't have skill.

Solid handle, good footwork, but Ant does not have an explosive first step and he cant get low to go around defenders and explode towards the basket. People like Jordan, Wade, Zion, Tmac, Iverson, ect are all much more explosive off the dribble.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Nearly every time this dude talks it kills whatever potential "aura" or image the NBA likely wants from him. This is an embarrassing opinion. Even if you lean towards the plumber/electrician argument - and I certainly understand why people believe that - there were plenty of very talented players in the league in the 80s/90s.

 

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Realize that Michael Jordan was one of the greatest players ever, but that he wasn't some deity levitating above the rest of us. He had flaws. He had help...in a lot of ways. And he wouldn't have had the same career (or a better one) if circumstances were different.

At the end of the day it’s just basketball y’all sensitive Bron stans all need hugs

 

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At the end of the day it’s just basketball y’all sensitive Bron stans all need hugs

Really?
Because you're in every thread bashing Lebron and working hard to keep the mythology of Jordan (and others) at the forefront of all basketball discussions.

Maybe instead of claiming others need hugs, go hug your own dad.

 

[fifth column]

Really?
Because you're in every thread bashing Lebron and working hard to keep the mythology of Jordan (and others) at the forefront of all basketball discussions.

Maybe instead of claiming others need hugs, go hug your own dad.

Stop being all negative breh at least you can look forward to watching senior citizen Lebron playing in the league for the next 5+ years trying to play catch up to MJ.

 

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Stop being all negative breh at least you can look forward to watching senior citizen Lebron playing in the league for the next 5+ years trying to play catch up to MJ.

You can't help yourself.
It's pathetic.

 

[fifth column]

You can't help yourself.
It's pathetic.

We will revisit this conversation in 2030 and you will see that Bron is still trying to play in the league. MJ’s legacy got ya mans trapped

 

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We will revisit this conversation in 2030 and you will see that Bron is still trying to play in the league. MJ’s legacy got ya mans trapped

If LeBron is still an NBA Level talent in 2030 and you think that's somehow anything other than outright fukking amazing, then you will have shown yourself to be the most supreme miserable hating fukk of all time.

 

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If LeBron is still an NBA Level talent in 2030 and you think that's somehow anything other than outright fukking amazing, then you will have shown yourself to be the most supreme miserable hating fukk of all time.

Nothing amazing or remarkable about an old man putting up empty stats while barely playing defense. I would agree if his play at this stage was leading to chips. BTW I think Lebron is a top 5 player of all time

 

[Ruck]

He really trynna be like his idol Durant. Talking out his ass

 

[Red Money]

This isn't even remotely true.

Double teams were a rare thing during the 90s (players beating double teams was even rarer), largely because of the rules deterred them from doing so. Many players during the 90s were allowed to ISO without having to worry about any defensive help (except in the paint). The defensive schemes and awareness of players that Ant has to deal with is infinitely more advanced than what happened during the 90s.

The only string that has most of its fibers infact of what folks think the 90s defense was, is the physicality on post-ups (and even then defenders lacked the footwork to mirror), but everything defensively outside of that is hanging on by a thread. The weak ass contests on jump shots, the half-hearted close-outs, the lack of urgency or knowledge of how to navigate around a screen, the standing around watching players go 1v1, the inability to defend multiple actions during a possession etc.

On the topic of doubles during the 90s though - if you actually go back through some tape, you'd see that whenever teams sent a hard double (obviously because they couldn't send soft help), most of the time they did it without any real intent of cutting off the angles of the ball-handler or plan to stop the possession. It was just sending help for the sake of. There was no attempt to defend the secondary action when the ball-handler passed to his [open] teammate; no rotations or no communication to deal with that. They instead ran around looking lost. Because offensive gameplay back then was almost entirely 1v1s, they rarely had to account for defending all the actions you see today.

In today's game, the help defense Ant sees is a shadow defender situated on his strong stride so he can't dribble-drive, and there's another defender who's in proximity of the open man (whilst staying connected to his own primary matchup), and once Ant picks up his dribble and passes, then everyone adjusts and settles back down to defend the next action. He also has to deal with bigs who're more defensively cognizant, versatile and mobile, and not stiffs who're only on the floor because they're big and fit the profile of a 5/4.

And yes, if he ever hopes to take his game to the next level, he does have to deal with help defense better, but that help defense sure as hell didn't exist during the 90s.

Most guys went to college for 3-4years 80s & 90s....they developed and made names for themselves playing against zones, lol.

But they get to the NBA and wouldn't be able to break down a zone!?!? Hmmm...the concepts both sides (offense and defense) would not change if it was allowed back then, lol.