Anthony Edwards - "Nobody had skill back in the day, MJ was the only one."

[Premeditated]

I honestly don't believe they're really stronger or faster past the 70's, ant himself bout as athletic as Dominique Wilkins and Vince Carter, I've been looking at a lot of old footage and I feel like athleticism peaked in the 90's for bball, plus skill wise the leauge just fought too long to allow how dudes played in the streets into the leauge so a lot of movement and skills were sanitized in the product imo. , they have more skill now but who wouldn't in a game that's 77 years old now, I bet you would dust some nikkas in the 60's on your level too.

i been saying that for years

same thing with soccer. modern soccer started in the 90s and I feel every start who shined in that era would shine now. i don't for a second thing, soccer players are stronger and faster. they just have more endurance. same thing for Track. the 100 meters times are practically the same

 

[Phantum]

Y'all knew this dude was ignant from jump


Just sit back and enjoy the fukkery

 

[Osmosis]

Also wanted to add, that Anthony Edwards the guy talking, couldn't handle a simple double team, help defense being sent towards him in the playoffs

Guys like Jordan Kobe Shaq etc had to deal with this especially in the playoffs on a nightly basis and get creative to avoid them and still get quality shots off. Many players in the 90s commanded double teams and beat them.

So before ant man talks about skills let's figure that one out on your part first buddy. Teams sent not even a hard double towards him but a soft help and recover kind of double towards him and he looked flabbergasted, lost , confused on how to beat it. Let's get that together first ant man before we go declaring another era don't have skill.

Most stars would feast on the primitive defensive schemes of the 90s

 

[DoubleClutch]

Penny hardaway is literally the most skilled all around basketball player of all time and he’s from “back in the day”

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Also wanted to add, that Anthony Edwards the guy talking, couldn't handle a simple double team, help defense being sent towards him in the playoffs

Guys like Jordan Kobe Shaq etc had to deal with this especially in the playoffs on a nightly basis and get creative to avoid them and still get quality shots off. Many players in the 90s commanded double teams and beat them.

So before ant man talks about skills let's figure that one out on your part first buddy. Teams sent not even a hard double towards him but a soft help and recover kind of double towards him and he looked flabbergasted, lost , confused on how to beat it. Let's get that together first ant man before we go declaring another era don't have skill.

This isn't even remotely true.

Double teams were a rare thing during the 90s (players beating double teams was even rarer), largely because of the rules deterred them from doing so. Many players during the 90s were allowed to ISO without having to worry about any defensive help (except in the paint). The defensive schemes and awareness of players that Ant has to deal with is infinitely more advanced than what happened during the 90s.

The only string that has most of its fibers infact of what folks think the 90s defense was, is the physicality on post-ups (and even then defenders lacked the footwork to mirror), but everything defensively outside of that is hanging on by a thread. The weak ass contests on jump shots, the half-hearted close-outs, the lack of urgency or knowledge of how to navigate around a screen, the standing around watching players go 1v1, the inability to defend multiple actions during a possession etc.

On the topic of doubles during the 90s though - if you actually go back through some tape, you'd see that whenever teams sent a hard double (obviously because they couldn't send soft help), most of the time they did it without any real intent of cutting off the angles of the ball-handler or plan to stop the possession. It was just sending help for the sake of. There was no attempt to defend the secondary action when the ball-handler passed to his [open] teammate; no rotations or no communication to deal with that. They instead ran around looking lost. Because offensive gameplay back then was almost entirely 1v1s, they rarely had to account for defending all the actions you see today.

In today's game, the help defense Ant sees is a shadow defender situated on his strong stride so he can't dribble-drive, and there's another defender who's in proximity of the open man (whilst staying connected to his own primary matchup), and once Ant picks up his dribble and passes, then everyone adjusts and settles back down to defend the next action. He also has to deal with bigs who're more defensively cognizant, versatile and mobile, and not stiffs who're only on the floor because they're big and fit the profile of a 5/4.

And yes, if he ever hopes to take his game to the next level, he does have to deal with help defense better, but that help defense sure as hell didn't exist during the 90s.

 

[fifth column]

This isn't even remotely true.

Double teams were a rare thing during the 90s (players beating double teams was even rarer), largely because of the rules deterred them from doing so. Many players during the 90s were allowed to ISO without having to worry about any defensive help (except in the paint). The defensive schemes and awareness of players that Ant has to deal with is infinitely more advanced than what happened during the 90s.

The only string that has most of its fibers infact of what folks think the 90s defense was, is the physicality on post-ups (and even then defenders lacked the footwork to mirror), but everything defensively outside of that is hanging on by a thread. The weak ass contests on jump shots, the half-hearted close-outs, the lack of urgency or knowledge of how to navigate around a screen, the standing around watching players go 1v1, the inability to defend multiple actions during a possession etc.

On the topic of doubles during the 90s though - if you actually go back through some tape, you'd see that whenever teams sent a hard double (obviously because they couldn't send soft help), most of the time they did it without any real intent of cutting off the angles of the ball-handler or plan to stop the possession. It was just sending help for the sake of. There was no attempt to defend the secondary action when the ball-handler passed to his [open] teammate; no rotations or no communication to deal with that. They instead ran around looking lost. Because offensive gameplay back then was almost entirely 1v1s, they rarely had to account for defending all the actions you see today.

In today's game, the help defense Ant sees is a shadow defender situated on his strong stride so he can't dribble-drive, and there's another defender who's in proximity of the open man (whilst staying connected to his own primary matchup), and once Ant picks up his dribble and passes, then everyone adjusts and settles back down to defend the next action. He also has to deal with bigs who're more defensively cognizant, versatile and mobile, and not stiffs who're only on the floor because they're big and fit the profile of a 5/4.

And yes, if he ever hopes to take his game to the next level, he does have to deal with help defense better, but that help defense sure as hell didn't exist during the 90s.

You ain’t watch no 90s ball so stop with the shenanigans. The 90s bball was the apex of the NBA and the viewers reflected that. This era is watered down to 3 and d and high pick n roll.

 

[Gotright]

You ain’t watch no 90s ball so stop with the shenanigans. The 90s bball was the apex of the NBA and the viewers reflected that. This era is watered down to 3 and d and high pick n roll.

The viewer dont mean shyt

 

[Remote]

Many players during the 90s were allowed to ISO without having to worry about any defensive help (except in the paint). The defensive schemes and awareness of players that Ant has to deal with is infinitely more advanced than what happened during the 90s.

I must have posted this article 6 or 7 times on the coli.

And Jordan stans refuse to acknowledge it every single time.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2001/04/01/if-zone-defenses-come-in-stars-may-go-out/

But there was one that might be bothersome, the zone defense. It was the topic du jour at last month’s All-Star Game, and Jordan was making an impassioned plea before the competition committee that had gathered to consider rules changes to enliven the NBA game. Jordan spoke passionately. If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did.

And that was Jordan’s argument: He believed that allowing any defense, or a zone, enables teams to gang up on the star. Gone will be the highlight-show moves and plays, the ESPN-ization of the game that others contend has been detrimental to sound play.

......


The NBA historically has been a man-to-man-defense league that encouraged great individual play.

But as coaches, like Hubie Brown in the 1970s, began to devise defenses to help out, the NBA instituted a series of defense rules that began to look like the Internal Revenue Service code. There was good reason for each of them, but when combined they made little sense.

So games often are spent with players pointing to lines on the court where a player is supposed to be or isn’t.

Actually, many of the illegal-defense rules were designed to aid the centers, like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who were being smothered in the post area.

 

[fifth column]

The viewer dont mean shyt

So you don’t mean shyt then cause you a viewer

 

[fifth column]

I must have posted this article 6 or 7 times on the coli.

And Jordan stans refuse to acknowledge it every single time.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2001/04/01/if-zone-defenses-come-in-stars-may-go-out/

But there was one that might be bothersome, the zone defense. It was the topic du jour at last month’s All-Star Game, and Jordan was making an impassioned plea before the competition committee that had gathered to consider rules changes to enliven the NBA game. Jordan spoke passionately. If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did.

And that was Jordan’s argument: He believed that allowing any defense, or a zone, enables teams to gang up on the star. Gone will be the highlight-show moves and plays, the ESPN-ization of the game that others contend has been detrimental to sound play.

......


The NBA historically has been a man-to-man-defense league that encouraged great individual play.

But as coaches, like Hubie Brown in the 1970s, began to devise defenses to help out, the NBA instituted a series of defense rules that began to look like the Internal Revenue Service code. There was good reason for each of them, but when combined they made little sense.

So games often are spent with players pointing to lines on the court where a player is supposed to be or isn’t.

Actually, many of the illegal-defense rules were designed to aid the centers, like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who were being smothered in the post area.

Still ain’t gon change the numbers, MJ ran it up

 

[Gotright]

So you don’t mean shyt then cause you a viewer

It was a lot more casuals like you back then

 

[fifth column]

It was a lot more casuals like you back then

Excuses are worthless

 

[LV Koopa]

You ain’t watch no 90s ball so stop with the shenanigans. The 90s bball was the apex of the NBA and the viewers reflected that. This era is watered down to 3 and d and high pick n roll.

spoken like a nikka who never watched anything except games on NBC because you couldn't afford the regional cable package. Everything Gil said is correct.

 

[fifth column]

spoken like a nikka who never watched anything except games on NBC because you couldn't afford the regional cable package. Everything Gil said is correct.

I don’t understand what you are trying to say or mean

 

[Remote]

Still ain’t gon change the numbers, MJ ran it up

Jordan himself said his career would have been different.

Did you even comprehend the words?