Another Big Win For Putin!!!

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Putin's cronies lose $50 billion

Leonid Mikhelson

The chairman of Russian gas producer Novatek has suffered the biggest losses, seeing his portfolio shrink by an estimated $8.7 billion. That's equivalent to a loss of nearly 50%.

Novatek was one of the first companies to be sanctioned by the U.S. over the crisis in Ukraine.

Vladimir Lisin
The chairman and largest shareholder of Novolipetsk Steel, and once Russia's richest man, has lost $7 billion, also nearly 50% of his wealth.

He is the vice president of the Russian Olympic Committee and the president of the European Shooting Confederation -- and as a gun enthusiast reportedly owns a valuable collection of rifles.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/16/news/russia-billionaires-putin-losses/index.html?iid=EL
 

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China needs clear strategy to help Russia
Source:Global Times Published: 2014-12-17 0:28:02

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With oil prices sinking and the ruble falling in value, Russia is experiencing the gravest economic crisis since the turn of the century. After its value crashed for two days running, the ruble has depreciated over 50 percent against the US dollar so far this year to become the worst performing global currency. At present, there seems to be no way to bail it out, and what will happen to the Russian economy is difficult to predict.

Some analysts are comparing Russia's current situation with the eve of the Soviet Union's dissolution, when oil prices were also at a low ebb. Some speculate that the deepening economic crisis will impose new challenges to Russian President Vladimir Putin's tenure, forcing him to apply a defensive strategy. But there are also some concerns about him becoming more aggressive.

This speculation raises a question: Is Russia's economy worse now than the time when the Soviet Union collapsed?

Compared with 23 years ago, Russia's manufacturing capacity and agricultural production have not greatly improved, and it's much diminished strength has not left much room to maneuver. What's more, Moscow now faces Western sanctions and there is deep antagonism between Moscow and Washington.

But Russian society is much more united than before. Putin retains high approval ratings among the Russian public, who learned heavy lessons after the collapse and harbor no delusions toward the West.

Russia's foreign exchange reserves still boast about $400 billion, which means, unlike immediately following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the well-being of the Russian people will not be severely impacted in the short term. Although the threat of collapse is still far away, Russia will go through a long-running winter instead of a temporary storm.

China has become a significant factor that determines Russia's strategic environment. Seeking China's support is one of Russia's most realistic options.

While it might play a key role, China has to keep a clear mind when giving a helping hand to Russia. China-Russia cooperation is no longer ideology-based but driven by common interests. Although it has the capability to offer help to Russia at critical moments, China does not have to act in a proactive manner.

Any facilitation and aid must be given with the request of Moscow through the normal channels of country-to-country exchanges. This will reduce Moscow's misunderstandings to the minimum.

This crisis will probably urge Russia to recalibrate some of its national strategies. But it is by no means a fact that Russia will draw closer to China because of this. With many uncertainties, China also faces challenges about how to lead its relationship with Russia to a reciprocal end.

Russia is at a crossroads, and the direction it chooses will impact world politics. China's stance is clear, and it does not want Russia to collapse.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/897151.shtml#.VJDr1SPbEzY.twitter
 

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I wonder what happens first. The oligarchs depose Putin and make nice with the EU and US or Putin starts arresting some of them on vague charges to keep his job.
 

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I wonder what happens first. The oligarchs depose Putin and make nice with the EU and US or Putin starts arresting some of them on vague charges to keep his job.
I can't imagine living there.

Like 3 times in a 30 year old man's life time the Russian economy has not just failed, its exploded :mindblown:

I've heard the argument that Putin is actually clinging to power to avoid prosecution himself :lupe:
 
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Theyre going to have a real hard time out here if the price of oil declines like a lot of analysts are expecting over the next few years.
Prophetic words from August:banderas::banderas::banderas:

@Blackking 's performance in the early pages of this thread warrants some consideration for worst poster of the year. Rarely can one get something so wrong in such a short span of time:salute:
 

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You guys love to come at the king....

Thats almost as funny to me, as how naive you all are...

Well see if the number one economy in the world doesn't feel the need to help this situation at all. Pretend to not know about pendulums brehs, smh.
 

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Maybe we can see how this affects the west. The dollar is now worth more compared to the rubles.... but western European banks and companies will have to write off debt... and places like brazil, south Africa , and Indonesia are negatively affected.

Its not like the world can rejoice about russias fall. And they STill aren't gonna back off Ukraine, despite sanctions, so shyt Is about to get worse in the Ukraine... and the pro Russian people in the Ukraine are already attacking and blaming the west for All of this.

The oil prices may go back up , maybe not.... but its not like this is all good news for us.

I said at the beginning that Russian central bank is the weakest part of its economy. They raised interest rates so high that no one wants to do business there. If oil prices don't go up, then there will be a cope of Putin, but I doubt that will happen.

You think that china Mexico India and Russia are laundering and hiding money as much as the other 141 developed nations combined.... for NO reason??? shyt.. something will be done.

And China wants more advanced weapons and cheap oil... they will probably help Russia get back on track.

Either way, I want someone to explain how this is a good thing for us. I don't understand why this is good for the world. For whatever reason you all hate Russia, but I don't get it because I dont really hate any nation thats not personally affecting me.
 

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Maybe we can see how this affects the west. The dollar is now worth more compared to the rubles.... but western European banks and companies will have to write off debt... and places like brazil, south Africa , and Indonesia are negatively affected.

Its not like the world can rejoice about russias fall. And they STill aren't gonna back off Ukraine, despite sanctions, so shyt Is about to get worse in the Ukraine... and the pro Russian people in the Ukraine are already attacking and blaming the west for All of this.

The oil prices may go back up , maybe not.... but its not like this is all good news for us.

I said at the beginning that Russian central bank is the weakest part of its economy. They raised interest rates so high that no one wants to do business there. If oil prices don't go up, then there will be a cope of Putin, but I doubt that will happen.

You think that china Mexico India and Russia are laundering and hiding money as much as the other 141 developed nations combined.... for NO reason??? shyt.. something will be done.

And China wants more advanced weapons and cheap oil... they will probably help Russia get back on track.

Either way, I want someone to explain how this is a good thing for us. I don't understand why this is good for the world. For whatever reason you all hate Russia, but I don't get it because I dont really hate any nation thats not personally affecting me.

Those were some real powerful words homie and your post had a profound impact on me.



















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LONDON — Trading in the Russian ruble was volatile early Wednesday morning, rallying briefly on news that the Finance Ministry was ready to sell some of its foreign currency reserves, and then weakening again.

The ministry said Wednesday morning that it was prepared to sell as much as $7 billion of those reserves to support the ruble, which a senior official said was “extremely undervalued.”
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/russian-government-tries-to-support-volatile-ruble/?_r=0


Its exciting watching a dude that treated obama like a dummy get fukked up
 
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I said at the beginning that Russian central bank is the weakest part of its economy. They raised interest rates so high that no one wants to do business there. If oil prices don't go up, then there will be a cope of Putin, but I doubt that will happen.
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You lack a fundamental understanding of what is going on here.
 

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You lack a fundamental understanding of what is going on here.
I don't actually.:yeshrug:
it's pretty basic...

you come out of nowhere tagging me n shyt ,lol. I don't reply.. then you Quote me??

Do you need attention? Do you want to debate? just ask.. I love to debate on here. What exact points about this would you like to discuss fakkit?


Do you want to say the elite will dump Putin?
that oil prices won't go above 70 next year?
That China wont cape?
That this Won't negatively affect the West, specifically Europe?


:mjlol: Let me know so that I can get you All The WAY Off my dikk breh.
 
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I don't actually.:yeshrug:
it's pretty basic...

you come out of nowhere tagging me n shyt ,lol. I don't reply.. then you Quote me??

Do you need attention? Do you want to debate? just ask.. I love to debate on here. What exact points about this would you like to discuss fakkit?


Do you want to say the elite will dump Putin?
that oil prices won't go above 70 next year?
That China wont cape?
That this Won't negatively affect the West, specifically Europe?


:mjlol: Let me know so that I can get you All The WAY Off my dikk breh.
You seem to be quite agitated because your stupidity is on full display in here. This is a forum. Posters correspond with each other sometimes. You're reverting right to that feminine "get off my dikk" "youre a hater" bullshyt:umad:

Who the fukk would be interested in your forecast of the coming months when you were too stupid to see any of this coming in the first place?

WPOTY Honorable Mention.
 

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You seem to be quite agitated because your stupidity is on full display in here. This is a forum. Posters correspond with each other sometimes. You're reverting right to that feminine "get off my dikk" "youre a hater" bullshyt

Who the fukk would be interested in your forecast of the coming months when you were too stupid to see any of this coming in the first place?

WPOTY Honorable Mention.
well, wpoty would be an honor around here.:blessed:

and you are clearly dikkriding because you're not even willing to debate the issue... you aren't 'making any points, you aren't making any relevant statements about the subject...:dwillhuh:

All You're SAying is.. "Blackking... yup imma randomly ride his nuts, because i don't like him in general, then get upset when he points it out":scust:


:umad: STAND IN LINE FAKKIT, THERE ARE OVER 40 POSTERS AHEAD OF YOU.. And you're the least relevant.
 
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