Ann Coulter's response to Zimmerman verdict "Hallelujah"

[Pit Bull]

I'm sure the 0.1% of total Africans on twitter represent a billion people..glad to see you apply White logic and blanket everyone. You a good student, they taught you well

One is too many

Show me one African American that celebrates African death.

Them Israelite nikkas don't even take it that far.

 

[Umoja]

Clearly, I do. And AGAIN -- stop the gaslighting -- and fakeness -- it's disgusting. Read what was stated. It really makes me not wanna say anything to most of the Black immigrants on this site.

Who is "we" -- AADOS and other Black people? Yet -- everyone plays -- and us not playing has been harmful.

And non-AADOS Black people -- don't need to be telling anyone about morale and integrity. I won't go there - out of respect. But, please leave me be.

Nah, you don't have self-respect and letting you know isn't gaslighting.

This isn't about immigration it is about having the fukking sense to realise that a c*nt celebrating the fruits of a corrupt justice system doesn't give a fukk about reparations, repairing the damage done.

You're willing to throw away the respect you should have for a young brother for what? A platform provided by a piece of shyt.

Integrity aside, it's not how you build influence. Amongst African Americans, it is a move that will cause people to lose faith in what you're preaching.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

On Hispanic immigrants, intentionally displacing Black people, especially in the west, and mid-west. That's w/o question.

If it's without question then why are you falling on Steven A. Camarota of the Center for Immigration Studies in order to support it? Other studies come to completely different conclusions.

Remember my qualifier?


"The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is a non-profit organization and think tank[3] "that favors far lower immigration numbers and produces research to further those views."[4]

Founded in 1985 as a spin-off from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR),[5] the center's self-described mission is to provide immigration policymakers, the academic community, news media, and concerned citizens with reliable information about the social, economic, environmental, security, and fiscal consequences of legal and illegal immigration into the United States.[6] CIS is one of a number of anti-immigration organizations that John Tanton helped found.[5][7][8]

Reports published by CIS have been disputed by scholars on immigration, fact-checkers such as PolitiFact, FactCheck.Org, Snopes, media outlets such as Washington Post, CNN and NBC News, and immigration-research organizations. The organization has been cited by President Donald Trump on Twitter, and used by members of his administration.[9][10][11]"

"Tanton's opposition to immigration is " on the grounds of population reduction and protection of an ethnic white majority".[14] According to the New York Times, Tanton has over time increasingly made his case against immigration in "racial terms".[15] According to the New York Times, Tanton has also said "One of my prime concerns is about the decline of folks who look like you and me ... for European-American society and culture to persist requires a European-American majority, and a clear one at that."[15]"

"FAIR, CIS and NumbersUSA are all part of a network of restrictionist organizations conceived and created by John Tanton, the "puppeteer" of the nativist movement and a man with deep racist roots. As the first article in this report shows, Tanton has for decades been at the heart of the white nationalist scene. He has met with leading white supremacists and associated closely with the leaders of a eugenicist foundation once described by a leading newspaper as a "neo-Nazi organization." He has made a series of racist statements about Latinos and worried that they were outbreeding whites. "



You can't trust anything CIS prints - they're explicitly trying to argue anti-immigration for everything and they're doing so for racist reasons. When an organization's entire reason for existence is to be anti-immigration, then how can you trust anything they have to say on the issue?

The truth is that Black people started leaving LA when gang violence picked up in the 1980s. Some went back to the south but most went to the suburbs.

'Black Flight' from L.A. Reverses Trend, Study Discovers

Blacks Say Life In Los Angeles Is Losing Allure

Migrants from L.A. Flow to Affordable Suburbs Such as Inland Empire

Black flight to the suburbs on the rise

Another great migration is under way: Black Americans are leaving big cities for the suburbs



When Black people left those neighborhoods of course Latinos would fill in behind them - they were the cheapest places in the city to live. But the idea that they are "intentionally displacing" Black people is nonsensical - Latino people ain't actively seeking Black neighborhoods to move into, they ain't getting Black people evicted and then moving into the empty spots. If there's any "intentional displacement" it comes from gentrification, and that sure as hell ain't illegal immigrants doing that.

 

[HarlemHottie]

Remember my qualifier?

The Impact of Immigration on Black Workers

Several studies have found that immigration has impacted the wages or employment of native-born African Americans. This includes recent studies by Borjas, Grogger, and Hanson that found that immigration reduces labor force participation of the least-educated black men.2 Research by Andrew Sum, Paul Harrington, and Ishwar Khatiwada at Northeastern University has found that immigrants are displacing young native-born men in the labor market and that the largest impact is on blacks and Hispanics.3 In my own research I have found that blacks are more likely to be in competition with immigrants than are whites.4 A 1995 study by Augustine Kposowa concluded that, "non-whites appear to lose jobs to immigrants and their earnings are depressed by immigrants."5 A 1998 study of the New York area by Howell and Mueller found that a 10-percentage-point increase in the immigrant share of an occupation reduced wages of black men about five percentage points. Given the large immigrant share of the occupations they studied, this implies a significant impact on native-born blacks.6

There certainly is a good deal of anecdotal evidence that employers often prefer immigrants, particularly Hispanic and Asian immigrants, over native-born black Americans. A more qualitative study by anthropologist Katherine Newman and Chauncy Lennon of fast food jobs in Harlem, found that immigrants are much more likely to get hired than are native-born black Americans.7

Some studies have not found an impact on blacks from immigration. Most studies that have found little or no impact are based on comparisons of labor market outcomes across cities with different levels of immigrants. Part of the reason it is hard to estimate the effect of immigration in this way is that we live in a national economy. The movement of capital, labor, goods, and services tends to create wage and employment equilibrium between American cities. Moreover, immigrants are attracted to cities with higher wage and employment growth. This will tend to mask the impact of immigration. As a result, comparisons across cities will tend to understate the immigration effect. Studies that have tended to treat the country as one large labor market have found larger effects than have cross city comparisons.

End Notes

1 See for example, The State of Working America, 2006/07 by Lawrence Mishel, Jared Bernstein, and Sylvia Allegretto.

2Immigration and African-American Employment Opportunities: The Response of Wages, Employment, and Incarceration to Labor Supply Shocks. By George J. Borjas, Jeffrey Grogger, and Gordon H. Hanson
Working Paper 12518.

3The Impact of New Immigrants on Young Native-Born Workers, 2000-2005, September 2006 By Andrew Sum, Paul Harrington, and Ishwar Khatiwada.

4In addition to the results shown in Table 1, which focus on illegal immigration, in a 1998 study published by the Center for Immigration Studies, I found that native-born blacks are more likely to be in competition with immigrants than are whites. The Wages of Immigration: The Effect on the Low-Skilled Labor Market.

5Augustine J. Kposowa, "The Impact of Immigration on Unemployment and Earnings among Racial Minorities in the United States," in Ethnic and Racial Studies, Volume 18, Number 3, July 1995.

6"The Effects of Immigrants on African-American Earnings: A Jobs-Level Analysis of the New York City Labor Market, 1979-89" (November 1997). Levy Economics Institute Working Paper No. 210. By David Howell and Elizabeth Mueller.

7"Finding Work in the Inner City: How Hard Is it Now? How Hard Will it Be for AFDC Recipients?" by Katherine Newman and Chauncy Lennon.

Even when I find a source suspect, I still check out the footnotes. There are a few good ones here.


It's weird having this conversation when, irl, you can barely find black workers on construction crews any more (in NYC). All replaced by 'brown' immigrants. They even locking out black immigrants. But, by all means, let's wait for somebody to prove it once it no longer matters.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

ADOS gang would agree with Richard Spencer or Charles Murray if it came to it.

they're about as loyal as a payday loan spot

So "Skeletor" Coulter is in alignment with the movement?


Those the kinds of ideological allies my AADOS nikkas garnering

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Even when I find a source suspect, I still check out the footnotes. There are a few good ones here.


It's weird having this conversation when, irl, you can barely find black workers on construction crews any more (in NYC). All replaced by 'brown' immigrants. They even locking out black immigrants. But, by all means, let's wait for somebody to prove it once it no longer matters.

AFAIK damn near everyone left construction for the same reason - workload was too unstable to support a family. Black, Brown, and White people all left the field when the housing collapse in 2007 followed by the economic downturn and 5-6 years of hardly any new building projects at all proved that construction was a shytty way to make a stable living. Now it's become the perfect field for immigrants and seasonal workers - they do the construction work when construction work is available, and move somewhere else for other work or go home when there's a lull.

And I agree that suspect sources can have legit footnotes. But even they're going to be cherry-picked. There are a ton of studies out there for everything and 5% are always contrarian. You get a source like CIS and they're only going to post the contrarian or outright fabricated ones - like the wikipedia page noted they are consistently corrected by factcheckers. Even conservative think tanks like Cato are talking CIS to task all the time because they're full of shyt.

Immigration isn't my area of expertise at all, but what I have read is enough to convince me that the bulk of economic effects are positive and poor people who are citizens aren't hurt by it overall. That's the main reason I don't spend more time on it an view it as a distraction - when obvious white nationalists like Ann Coulter, Steve Bannon, CIS, FAIR, etc. are constantly trying to appeal to immigration in order to drive the break up the vote of Brown and Black communities, then it's clear to me that they view that division as a net win for White power players. And I don't see how the fukk that's gonna be a win for the Black community.

 

[OG Talk]

Trump wants to pit black Americans against Latino immigrants. Don’t fall for it.

More population growth actually increases the demand for "low skilled" jobs which black folks generally do. Low wages is due to capitalism, lower % of workers in unions, and oligarchy

Also the entire framing of "illegal immigration" is bullshyt if you don't address the causes of it( American meddling in Latin America and predatory trade deals). They don't particularly want to come here...

NPR Choice page

United States involvement in regime change in Latin America - Wikipedia

A Century of U.S. Intervention Created the Immigration Crisis

Fair response. I can see that argument. It’s legitimate and needs to be weighed against different factors and options.



The framing about lack of population growth is also bullshyt if we don’t address some of the causes of that as well.

Let’s Talk About the Black Abortion Rate

 

[OG Talk]

Immigration isn't my area of expertise at all, but what I have read is enough to convince me that the bulk of economic effects are positive and poor people who are citizens aren't hurt by it overall. That's the main reason I don't spend more time on it an view it as a distraction - when obvious white nationalists like Ann Coulter, Steve Bannon, CIS, FAIR, etc. are constantly trying to appeal to immigration in order to drive the break up the vote of Brown and Black communities, then it's clear to me that they view that division as a net win for White power players. And I don't see how the fukk that's gonna be a win for the Black community.

Do you believe that Brown and Black people vote as a block that can be broken up?

If that was really the case then Texas and Florida would be Blue right now.

Brown people vote for their personal interests in the U.S. They don’t care about their own skin folk across the border, let alone some Black folks.


I don’t think there is a coalition that can be broken up by white nationalists. I just think Brown folks are willing to vote for people that say mean things about them, because they are more focused on results than respect.

But you know us. Anything that doesn’t come with a hug and a pat on the head ain’t worth having.

 

[Fctftl]

you've gotta be a real scumbag to disregard the death of a kid. all types of evil energy about her.

 

[Black Panther]

The issue isn't "why can't we agree with Ann Coulter once in a while."

The issue is why the hell do ya'all need to rush in posting and announcing that you agree with a racist troll?


Can you imagine if people posted a new thread every time any liberal gave lip-service to a pro-Black cause? Liberal politicians say "the right shyt" all the time. But we all know that words mean nothing, so no one posts that shyt unless it's accompanied by an actual call to action. Otherwise it just looks like caping for a party or desperate search for White approval.

But a known racist who is constantly shytting on the Black community says ONE thing vaguely pro-AADOS, obviously with ulterior motives as it openly contradicts other shyt she's said, and people come running in to say how much they agree with her. Then we have dozens of posters talking about how they've been listening to her for years and she's always on point with this. Really fool? What the hell is wrong with your life that YOU'VE SPENT YEARS LISTENING TO ANN COULTER????


- she openly shyts on Black people and talks about their "criminal nature"

- she openly opposes reparations

- she repeatedly praises people who have killed Black people

- she repeatedly shyts on the families of Black victims of violence

- she mocks anyone who protests against violence against Black people

- she opposes the idea that there is any unfairness in the justice system

- she doubts that any innocent Black people are in prison

- she mocks the academic ability of Black people in elite colleges

- she capes for South African Whites and wants to grant them refugee status while opposing all Black and Brown immigrants

- she says that Southern Whites face more discrimination than Black people

- she repeatedly compares White people positively to Black people



And you want approval from her? You're gonna quote ANYTHING that she says and agree with it as if it's a good thing that you have the same position? If some racist a$$hole says something I agree with, then fukk THEM. I ain't quoting shyt from them, I can support my argument without needing to rely on a racist.

Quote people who matter. Don't quote people who society needs to leave behind. If you need them to write your argument for you then you already lawst.

Dancing Kid This

• Black Panther
• Oct 2, 2017

 

[3rdWorld]

One is too many

Show me one African American that celebrates African death.

Them Israelite nikkas don't even take it that far.

So you get your facts on an entire continent from online Nigerians

Ive got news for you, most Africans are living their lives and are not concerned with what takes place in America. Not that they dont care for African Americans, they dont even know people are being shot daily by the cops and being marginalized by society. And if they did know, what makes you think they'd jump up and celebrate
Some of you dudes are so accustomed to thinking everybody is out to get you, that you cant even see of think straight.
To suggest Africans would celebrate your death is something I cannot assist you with, you need to see a professional and get your head screwed on straight.

Sorry breh, but African people dont hate you. And from my experience in Africa, African Americans are a highly respected people. Africans probably think you look down on them for being poor. Jesus Christ you need help

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

We're already pit against each other, what does Trump have to do with it?


This Ann Coulter thing is interesting and sort of explains all the push back we get from non ADOS. Immigrants don't hate Repubs because they're racist. Hell, majority of these immigrants are racist, and that includes the black ones. Immigrants don't like Repubs bc they're nationalist. As are ADOS. Different types of nationalists, to be sure, but, given post- 2008 economic conditions, it makes perfect sense. This is all part of a reaction to the open borders policy of neoliberalism. You can't starve the rightful citizens of first world countries and expect them to idly stand by.

Strange times make for strange bedfellows.

The article was addressing the fact that Trump and Ann Coulter were wrongfully arguing that illegal immigrants and immigration in general hurt black Americans

Yeah I neoliberals aren’t really for open boarders as seen by Obama’s deportation policies.

But here’s the thing y’all can take these positions if you want but the reality is the only other people that make your arguments on immigration post at :

R/ trump
R/conservative
Britbart
Etc.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Do you believe that Brown and Black people vote as a block that can be broken up?

If that was really the case then Texas and Florida would be Blue right now.

Brown people vote for their personal interests in the U.S. They don’t care about their own skin folk across the border, let alone some Black folks.


I don’t think there is a coalition that can be broken up by white nationalists. I just think Brown folks are willing to vote for people that say mean things about them, because they are more focused on results than respect.

But you know us. Anything that doesn’t come with a hug and a pat on the head ain’t worth having.

I mean 70% of Latinos vote right in line with Blacks so that’s pretty fukking significant.

Of the 30% that don’t, I’d assume most of them are just white peoples that speak Spanish

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

That's actually a good question. I don't know bc European immigrants don't spend a lot of time differentiating themselves from white Americans. They, unlike immigrants of color, gratefully blend right in politically. Immigrants of color, on the other hand, expend a lot of energy announcing their status , essentially forcing a response, whether negative or positive.

Tell me I'm wrong.



'Brown' (and black) immigrants are knowingly collaborating with the hoarders. There is no either/ or. When those black temp workers sued the agency in Chicago for racial discrimination, I didn't see no Mexicans step up to call it out. When black dude got fired from that warehouse for filming his Mexican coworkers walking out and subsequently lost his job, I ain't see nobody step up to get homie re-hired. These are facts.

@T'krm, We need studies, fam. I know you started a thread on this...

Again this is bullshyt. It is very clear by the data that because of the jobs black folks do, increase in population helps black workers

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

And of course AAgang continues to gloss over the fact that the US government has in many cases destroyed these peoples homes.

I wonder what kind of people ignore the negative impacts of US imperialism