Angola displaces Nigeria to become Africa's top oil producer - OPEC

[Poitier]

That's not nearly close to being Angola's biggest problem.
Angola's biggest problem is culture and identity. That's the tall wall we gotta scale if we want to make it. Anybody that tells you otherwise is lying to you.

I'm not big on arguments that center culture as the main mode of progress

At best, you're culture/identity is Tanzania and you're still a "developing nation"

 

[The Singularity]

..... I believe there will be a generation of Angolans who'll seize the resources and make the most of them, but it could actually be that they are yet to be born.

Future generations will have alot of work to do to clean up the mess of earlier generations. Our descendants will greatly look down and despise our generation.

 

[Claudex]

I'm not big on arguments that center culture as the main mode of progress

At best, you're culture/identity is Tanzania and you're still a "developing nation"

I feel you Poitier. But honestly man I grew tired of viewing the problem through an economic lens because money was never an issue. Some people allude to laziness being the issue but that's not true either, some say that we're mentally stunted but that's not it either because bright people exist over here, ambition isn't an issue either because if the Elite truly were ambitious then things would've played out a lot different...so the only conclusion I could come up with is we're broken, and we gotta get patched up before we do anything else.

I do agree with you though, lately I've been seeing the grittiness of it all as just a part of development. Much like there's rarely a war that can be fought without unnecessary deaths happening, the country can't develop without some serious fukk ups happening.

 

[Claudex]

Future generations will have alot of work to do to clean up the mess of earlier generations. Our descendants will greatly look down and despise our generation.

This legit what I told my pops one time, and what I wouldn't want happening to our generation. That's the saddest thing in life at an individual or societal level imo, failing your children.

 

[The Singularity]

This legit what I told my pops one time, and what I wouldn't want happening to our generation. That's the saddest thing in life at an individual or societal level imo, failing your children.

Today's generation feels the same about yesterday's generation. Africa's older generation failed its descendants. They were so selfish they spent our money abroad in Switzerland while South Koreans and other Asians were planning city streets and factories. Now it is up to us to build factories and subways after 50 years of our fathers wasting time.

 

[Claudex]

Today's generation feels the same about yesterday's generation. Africa's older generation failed its descendants. They were so selfish they spent our money abroad in Switzerland while South Koreans and other Asians were planning city streets and factories. Now it is up to us to build factories and subways after 50 years of our fathers wasting time.

Amen, we the new batters.

 

[Claudex]

What nations history isn't filled with betrayal blood terror..

Breh...
...you know exactly what I meant man.

 

[Red Shield]

Breh...
...you know exactly what I meant man.

not really breh

 

[Afrodroid]

Yep, I speak portuguese & english fluently, dabble a little in spanish and french too since the root language is the same. Although I wanna improve in french. But really I wanna learn my mother tongue, and although I got the material I think I may need an instructor. My accent is beyond horrible.

You see that's one of the consequences of just how bad colonialism was; I remember I was a kid and my elementary school was trynna include the mother tongues in the curriculum and the parents (the c00ns that many of them were/are) legit hit the school with the " my kids are failing in portuguese and you want them to learn another language? fukk all that, teach them portuguese and stop wasting their time with this tribal shyt!"
@Afrodroid you sure you're built for this Angolan life breh?

Built in Rio de Janeiro, i think i can handle it

But first i'm going to visit, see what it's like and then decide

 

[Poitier]

But honestly man I grew tired of viewing the problem through an economic lens because money was never an issue.

To an extent, I agree, but how the money is obtained is the issue. Commodity economies simply don't encourage progression and it sort of goes back to my point for the need of willful government planning. I don't think that is as much culture/identity as it is luck in getting the right leader in place and hoping he stays healthy enough to enact his vision.

 

[Claudex]

Built in Rio de Janeiro, i think i can handle it

But first i'm going to visit, see what it's like and then decide

Oh so you're a Brazuca! The Afros from your land almost never come through, I see a lot of cac-zilians but only met one Afro-Brazilian gawdess, she was married to a breh though. But she was just the right amount of sexy and crazy.
Don't forget to bring some baddies if you do come. I don't know why the guhment doesn't make that mandatory. Afro-brazilian women should be coming and going as they please!

 

[Claudex]

not really breh

Yes every country goes through tough shyt, but what Africa as a continent – not even just countries, but as a continent – went through is on a whole other level from just what every country in the world went through. And Angola got a big brunt of it, since Luanda/Benguela were the main ports for the triangular trade.

So every other nation's woes doesn't even make me shed a tear 'cause I know just how bad black people worldwide got it and how it's incomparable. And that's my argument to the "well, everybody else got it bad too boohoo" trope.

To an extent, I agree, but how the money is obtained is the issue. Commodity economies simply don't encourage progression and it sort of goes back to my point for the need of willful government planning. I don't think that is as much culture/identity as it is luck in getting the right leader in place and hoping he stays healthy enough to enact his vision.

That's the part I got problems with, to stay healthy while everything around is corrupt and trying to corrupt you? shyt, hopefully you die a hero asap (which is usually before you really change anything) because if not, you will become a villain. 100. But even that isn't realistic because in order for you to be accepted as leader you already got to be the villain, they won't let you just move without making you put your hands in the dirt. And trust me, the level where they make you get your hands dirty starts at the beginning of your professional career, whoever you are.

The moment they see something special in you and try to aid you in rising through the ranks, they already demand you sign your soul away. Small transactions at first 'cause that's just how evil rolls.

But I'm not a complete skeptic either, so I do connect with the essence of your argument. The teenager that still lives in me yearns to get that right leader that is somehow impervious to the corruption.

 

[Afrodroid]

Oh so you're a Brazuca! The Afros from your land almost never come through, I see a lot of cac-zilians but only met one Afro-Brazilian gawdess, she was married to a breh though. But she was just the right amount of sexy and crazy.
Don't forget to bring some baddies if you do come. I don't know why the guhment doesn't make that mandatory. Afro-brazilian women should be coming and going as they please!

I think you angolans have some bad chick's too, since brazilian blacks are descended from there

Yeah brazilian blacks prefer european countries, i have relatives living there but i can't imagine myself walking among those white pigs all the time

 

[TMNT4000]

Its depression what happened to Angola's population.

Can you give more info on this?

 

[BigMan]

Yes every country goes through tough shyt, but what Africa as a continent – not even just countries, but as a continent – went through is on a whole other level from just what every country in the world went through. And Angola got a big brunt of it, since Luanda/Benguela were the main ports for the triangular trade.

So every other nation's woes doesn't even make me shed a tear 'cause I know just how bad black people worldwide got it and how it's incomparable. And that's my argument to the "well, everybody else got it bad too boohoo" trope.



That's the part I got problems with, to stay healthy while everything around is corrupt and trying to corrupt you? shyt, hopefully you die a hero asap (which is usually before you really change anything) because if not, you will become a villain. 100. But even that isn't realistic because in order for you to be accepted as leader you already got to be the villain, they won't let you just move without making you put your hands in the dirt. And trust me, the level where they make you get your hands dirty starts at the beginning of your professional career, whoever you are.

The moment they see something special in you and try to aid you in rising through the ranks, they already demand you sign your soul away. Small transactions at first 'cause that's just how evil rolls.

But I'm not a complete skeptic either, so I do connect with the essence of your argument. The teenager that still lives in me yearns to get that right leader that is somehow impervious to the corruption.

idk us in the diaspora went through some shyt too

Most of Africa wasn't penetrated nh by the euros until the 19th century