Angola displaces Nigeria to become Africa's top oil producer - OPEC

[phcitywarrior]

Say what you want about Nigeria, but in comparison to Angola, Nigeria is miles ahead. Outside of Lagos there is solid development i.e. Port Harcourt, Abuja, Calabar, Uyo, Kano etc. With Angola, outside of Luanda there's really nothing. Moreover, dos Santos has had that country in its pocket for the longest of times.

Angola is actually one of the top African countries I want to visit. That Portuguese is gonna be a bit of a challenge though

 

[Frangala]

Say what you want about Nigeria, but in comparison to Angola, Nigeria is miles ahead. Outside of Lagos there is solid development i.e. Port Harcourt, Abuja, Calabar, Uyo, Kano etc. With Angola, outside of Luanda there's really nothing. Moreover, dos Santos has had that country in its pocket for the longest of times.

Angola is actually one of the top African countries I want to visit. That Portuguese is gonna be a bit of a challenge though

I don't know about miles ahead. Nigeria is poor and the infrastructure is horrible. Lagos' population already has a great strain on the existing poor infrastructure. The electricity situation is very bad. If you don't live in one of the islands in Lagos or in Maitama in Abuja with ridiculously high cost of living, then you are screwed. However you are right that other Nigerian cities are more developed however Angola has a significantly lower population of 22 million with the non-ethnic tensions and no Muslim fundamentalist problem while Nigeria is hovering around 180 million with a very combustible environment.

 

[phcitywarrior]

I don't know about miles ahead. Nigeria is poor and the infrastructure is horrible. Lagos' population already has a great strain on the existing poor infrastructure. The electricity situation is very bad. If you don't live in one of the islands in Lagos or in Maitama in Abuja with ridiculously high cost of living, then you are screwed. However you are right that other Nigerian cities are more developed however Angola has a significantly lower population of 22 million with the non-ethnic tensions and no Muslim fundamentalist problem while Nigeria is hovering around 180 million with a very combustible environment.

Miles ahead in terms of Economic Development and diversity of economy. Whereas Angola is heavily dependent on oil, Oil only accounts for 15% of the Nigerian economy, although 70% of the federal budget is tied to oil. Nigeria has the 2nd largest movie industry in the world and is a leader in Banking and Telecomm in Sub-saharan Africa.

Angola is a country I've always been very interested in. The fact that they are the most prominent Lusophone country in Africa is quite interesting. But that man dos Santos must go. At least in Nigeria you've had a change of ruling parties.

 

[Frangala]

Miles ahead in terms of Economic Development and diversity of economy. Whereas Angola is heavily dependent on oil, Oil only accounts for 15% of the Nigerian economy, although 70% of the federal budget is tied to oil. Nigeria has the 2nd largest movie industry in the world and is a leader in Banking and Telecomm in Sub-saharan Africa.

Angola is a country I've always been very interested in. The fact that they are the most prominent Lusophone country in Africa is quite interesting. But that man dos Santos must go. At least in Nigeria you've had a change of ruling parties.

What are the job creation in terms of those industries. I would admit that Nollywood is probably an indigenous industry which creates a respectable amount of jobs for Nigeria but the banking/financial services sector does not create sufficient jobs neither does Telecommunications which is basically MTN and other foreign companies generating huge profits as a result of the size of the market (180 million people) however those two aforementioned industries should not be an indication of economic development of Nigeria or any other African country.

You are probably right that there is a lot more private sector activity in Nigeria as opposed to Angola. The "miles ahead" characterization I disagree with especially when a country like Nigeria IMPORTS TOOTHPICKS and doesn't make a lot of things it consumes.

Economic development = manufacturing and large scale formalization of employment (not selling flags water or fruits on the road) for the vast majority of Nigerians who are low skilled and uneducated and that goes for most of the rest of Africa.

 

[Poitier]

Angola's biggest problem is the depopulation from the slave trade. We can't talk economic development until we first address this.

 

[BigMan]

Angola's biggest problem is the depopulation from the slave trade. We can't talk economic development until we first address this.

How can this be remedied tho

Repatriation ?

 

[Poitier]

How can this be remedied tho

Repatriation ?

Lots of migrants moving across the continent and into other continents could also incentivize large families

To be honest, I don't think you can lose the amount of people Angola lost and recover....we'll be dead and gone before thats done

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Its depression what happened to Angola's population.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

What are the job creation in terms of those industries. I would admit that Nollywood is probably an indigenous industry which creates a respectable amount of jobs for Nigeria but the banking/financial services sector does not create sufficient jobs neither does Telecommunications which is basically MTN and other foreign companies generating huge profits as a result of the size of the market (180 million people) however those two aforementioned industries should not be an indication of economic development of Nigeria or any other African country.

You are probably right that there is a lot more private sector activity in Nigeria as opposed to Angola. The "miles ahead" characterization I disagree with especially when a country like Nigeria IMPORTS TOOTHPICKS and doesn't make a lot of things it consumes.

Economic development = manufacturing and large scale formalization of employment (not selling flags water or fruits on the road) for the vast majority of Nigerians who are low skilled and uneducated and that goes for most of the rest of Africa.

There's nothing wrong with importing toothpicks. I fukking hate when APC members bring this up. They have a fixation on toothpicks and pencils while:
A) They're killing Nigerian manufacturers like Innoson
B) There's no national strategy for sustainable forestry businesses
C) They're deflecting from crises they're contributing to

 

[Frangala]

There's nothing wrong with importing toothpicks. I fukking hate when APC members bring this up. They have a fixation on toothpicks and pencils while:
A) They're killing Nigerian manufacturers like Innoson
B) There's no national strategy for sustainable forestry businesses
C) They're deflecting from crises they're contributing to

The APC or whatever political party is using this fact to further their political agenda and/or deflect from their own responsibilities. That doesn't change that it is a fact that Nigeria and other African countries are net importer on a lot of consumer goods especially with a large young population you can engage in labor intensive manufacturing and industries (which leads to formalization of employment where people are paid at a specific date and can contribute to the state purse via income taxes which makes leaders more accountable because they realize that the governed are paying for their salaries and not rent money from extractive industries). Unless you do that, then I can't call a country developed or developing.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

The APC or whatever political party is using this fact to further their political agenda and/or deflect from their own responsibilities. That doesn't change that it is a fact that Nigeria and other African countries are net importer on a lot of consumer goods especially with a large young population you can engage in labor intensive manufacturing and industries (which leads to formalization of employment where people are paid at a specific date and can contribute to the state purse via income taxes which makes leaders more accountable because they realize that the governed are paying for their salaries and not rent money from extractive industries). Unless you do that, then I can't call a country developed or developing.

No offence, the toothpick thing pissed me off.

I understand what you're saying but a lot of countries import wood products. Including Angola.

A better example in Nigeria's case is that imports petroleum despite being an oil producer.

 

[Frangala]

No offence, the toothpick thing pissed me off.

I understand what you're saying but a lot of countries import wood products. Including Angola.

A better example in Nigeria's case is that imports petroleum despite being an oil producer.

My comment is not specific to Nigeria even though we are talking about Nigeria but something about Nigeria being powerhouse of Africa and actually a lot of people standing proud and chin up and indulging in that shyt seemed off to me. I understand that sometimes people need to become optimistic and not wallow in all the bad things going on in life and the country.

But that narrative of it being a powerhouse is VERY dangerous and especially when they "surpassed" S.A as the largest economy in Africa back in the summer of 2014 while the Chibok thing was still going on. I feel like a lot of people need to recalibrate themselves and maybe realizing how shytty their economy is and that the conditions that they are living are unacceptable then they can really push forward for change. 80% of post-harvest agricultural commodities go rotten due to lack of refrigeration and infrastructure from farm to distributors. Those things are simply unacceptable in the 21st century.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

My comment is not specific to Nigeria even though we are talking about Nigeria but something about Nigeria being powerhouse of Africa and actually a lot of people standing proud and chin up and indulging in that shyt seemed off to me. I understand that sometimes people need to become optimistic and not wallow in all the bad things going on in life and the country.

But that narrative of it being a powerhouse is VERY dangerous and especially when they "surpassed" S.A as the largest economy in Africa back in the summer of 2014 while the Chibok thing was still going on. I feel like a lot of people need to recalibrate themselves and maybe realizing how shytty their economy is and that the conditions that they are living are unacceptable then they can really push forward for change. 80% of post-harvest agricultural commodities go rotten due to lack of refrigeration and infrastructure from farm to distributors. Those things are simply unacceptable in the 21st century.

Nigeria's myopic, self serving elites pushed that narrative as they destroyed a country.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

But yes @Frangala - the misplaced optimism is unsurprising. When your elites are predatory, and not developmental, why wouldn't empty platitudes be the order of the day?

 

[Frangala]

But yes @Frangala - the misplaced optimism is unsurprising. When your elites are predatory, and not developmental, why wouldn't empty platitudes be the order of the day?

I understand that's why I think non-governmental institutions are dropping the ball in keeping the govt. honest and this culture of empty optimism has seeped into it. The Church throughout Africa (especially Christian Francophone Africa) is disappointing. This Congolese author Patrick Mbeko talks about in Congolese churches, the pastors always talk about blessings whether it is a new job, a good husband/wife, car and the necessary things one needs to do spiritually in order for God to reward them those things. He says there is no activism and social consciousness about the situation of the country. The Church in that part of the world yields enormous power and a great platform because in that part of the world are extremely religious with overly optimistic with "God will provide" narrative. The Church plays a diplomatic role instead of being a moral authority in calling out the problems of the country and the people responsible for it.