Andrew Yang (Former 2020 Presidential Candidate): What's his future? #YangGang :lupe:

[storyteller]

I cap appreciate his point (despite his snide and hyperbolic demeanor), but if we're looking at whats actually possible in a country that just elected Donald Trump, you're going to have to find some middle ground. You can pontificate all day about what "should" be done, but at some point you have to consider what can be done.

I do agree that that the UBI model would be more inline with the Progressive model if it was allotted on top of already existing social programs, but I could also see that proposal getting torpedoed by the right real quick.

In terms of this accomplishing the goals I would intend to reach with UBI (reduced inequality and uplifting those in poverty), I don't think this will have a meaningful impact. Not when people in poverty will have to trade in their current benefits to get this new one while the tax to pay for the program will impact everyone equally. So his centerpiece (and virtually only from what I saw on JRE) policy looks highly flawed and oversold to my eyes.

In terms of a progressive model getting torpedoed due to the Trump supporter portion of our nation, I don't think they'd be much more helpful in passing this version. Whether you model the most successful UBI experiments or you take the conservative more corporate friendly model, they're going to call it socialism (ie: what happened with the ACA).

This bit is pure speculation admittedly: I'm also starting to worry that we'll only get one shot to make some of these radical ideas work. They'll come under fire regardless of what they look like, but passing a flawed version will create more room for the GOP to trash not only the current legislation but also any future attempts at passing more effective versions. Revisiting that ACA example: If not for the Medicaid expansion, ACA dies fast and Universal Healthcare never gains steam...with a public option included, the momentum picks up more quickly imo. Operating on the assumption that the GOP will block and obstruct ANYTHING we attempt, I don't see the value of watering down legislation in hopes that it will pass. Go left and let public enthusiasm push the Overton window...Legislation may take a bit longer to pass, but it will have a much more meaningful impact when it does pass.

 

[FAH1223]

In terms of this accomplishing the goals I would intend to reach with UBI (reduced inequality and uplifting those in poverty), I don't think this will have a meaningful impact. Not when people in poverty will have to trade in their current benefits to get this new one while the tax to pay for the program will impact everyone equally. So his centerpiece (and virtually only from what I saw on JRE) policy looks highly flawed and oversold to my eyes.

In terms of a progressive model getting torpedoed due to the Trump supporter portion of our nation, I don't think they'd be much more helpful in passing this version. Whether you model the most successful UBI experiments or you take the conservative more corporate friendly model, they're going to call it socialism (ie: what happened with the ACA).

This bit is pure speculation admittedly: I'm also starting to worry that we'll only get one shot to make some of these radical ideas work. They'll come under fire regardless of what they look like, but passing a flawed version will create more room for the GOP to trash not only the current legislation but also any future attempts at passing more effective versions. Revisiting that ACA example: If not for the Medicaid expansion, ACA dies fast and Universal Healthcare never gains steam...with a public option included, the momentum picks up more quickly imo. Operating on the assumption that the GOP will block and obstruct ANYTHING we attempt, I don't see the value of watering down legislation in hopes that it will pass. Go left and let public enthusiasm push the Overton window...Legislation may take a bit longer to pass, but it will have a much more meaningful impact when it does pass.

The issue is the filibuster

The ACA that passed the House by Pelosi was a lot better than the final version... could have passed that shid with 51 votes

 

[Shogun]

In terms of this accomplishing the goals I would intend to reach with UBI (reduced inequality and uplifting those in poverty), I don't think this will have a meaningful impact. Not when people in poverty will have to trade in their current benefits to get this new one while the tax to pay for the program will impact everyone equally. So his centerpiece (and virtually only from what I saw on JRE) policy looks highly flawed and oversold to my eyes.

In terms of a progressive model getting torpedoed due to the Trump supporter portion of our nation, I don't think they'd be much more helpful in passing this version. Whether you model the most successful UBI experiments or you take the conservative more corporate friendly model, they're going to call it socialism (ie: what happened with the ACA).

This bit is pure speculation admittedly: I'm also starting to worry that we'll only get one shot to make some of these radical ideas work. They'll come under fire regardless of what they look like, but passing a flawed version will create more room for the GOP to trash not only the current legislation but also any future attempts at passing more effective versions. Revisiting that ACA example: If not for the Medicaid expansion, ACA dies fast and Universal Healthcare never gains steam...with a public option included, the momentum picks up more quickly imo. Operating on the assumption that the GOP will block and obstruct ANYTHING we attempt, I don't see the value of watering down legislation in hopes that it will pass. Go left and let public enthusiasm push the Overton window...Legislation may take a bit longer to pass, but it will have a much more meaningful impact when it does pass.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[Copy Ninja]

Get him to be on anti-trust

His point about not breaking up these tech companies but instead share in their profits

 

[FAH1223]

 

[Shogun]

Nap will being going hard in this thread in 5...4...3...2...1...

 

[Secure Da Bag]

You know I approve this message. :oh_lawd_paris:

 

[Copy Ninja]

I was talking about him at work (here in DC). People legit have never heard of him and a lot of my co-workers actively follow the political scene. And they are all democrats as far as I know. I did my part explaining to them his main platform and encouraged them to look up some of his interviews.

I'm spreading the word with family members too.

 

[FAH1223]

I was talking about him at work (here in DC). People legit have never heard of him and a lot of my co-workers actively follow the political scene. And they are all democrats as far as I know. I did my part explaining to them his main platform and encouraged them to look up some of his interviews.

I'm spreading the word with family members too.

Yup, I've told my coworkers and my fam. My pops is very impressed with him.

 

[gangreen]

Just contributed to his campaign.

Glad this dude is on the debate stage, he gonna force some questions and interesting answers.

 

[wire28]

Just contributed to his campaign.

Glad this dude is on the debate stage, he gonna force some questions and interesting answers.

gave duke a dollar after TBC

Spoiler

he'll be a solid member of Beto's cabinet

 

[gangreen]

gave duke a dollar after TBC

Spoiler

he'll be a solid member of Beto's cabinet

But i like dude, he got a good idea that makes sense but wont have a chance in hell in passing through the congress even with a super majority.

I just want to hear what the frontrunners gotta say about this on that debate stage.

Then the fact that dude is young and is a family man.

These other front runners are either old af or have some weird family dynamic going on or they just dont have that charisma.

We beatin Dope 45 in 2020 and taking back the Senate with youth.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

An exclusive look at Cory Booker’s plan to fight wealth inequality: give poor kids money

I wonder between Yang's UBI and Booker's Baby Bond we may actually have something that allows wealth building.

Kids get baby bonds up until they are 18 (How much depends on poverty level). Adults get UBI when they turn 18 until they die (regardless of poverty level).

 

[Wargames]

He is talking about breaking up big companies/monopolies and I love it. Amazon should divest their distribution.