André 3000 Admits He & Big Boi are "further away than ever" From a New OutKast Album

[ArchStanton]

Yeah it's called fear of failure. It would be insanely difficult to make either a solo album or a new OutKast album because critics would rip it to shreds and it would never live up to the hype of people's imaginations.

Tend to agree. For a time they were talking about putting out an album called Hard 10, which was to be 10 songs of straightforward hip hop. I thought it was a good idea to kind of reset expectations of them having to push the boundaries every time, but obviously it never came to fruition. I feel like there were rumblings the label didn't care for the idea, either. Greedy motherfukkers wanted another Miss Jackson and The Way You Move presumably.

My understanding is they only owe the label one more Kast album, but it's not likely they will ever get it. Dre has a separate agreement with them and I know the flute album didn't count as an album for them even though they put it out.

 

[winb83]

The criteria your using is all made up breh. None of that shyt is tangible and barely measurable. Outside of here and other boards, nobody cares. He wrote and spit his own verses. Big wrote and spit his own verses. They are as dope together as they are as individuals. I’m always going to roast the eventual boohoo’ing, the:

“fukk HiM! ThAt’S why BiG bOi WaS bEtTeR… I WiSh BiG bOi WaS My DaD…”

And whatever salty bullshyt nikkas feel they need to say to try and diminish either of their work, to make themselves feel better.

The nikka is celebrated as a top artist, you got weird ass nighas still trying to argue that Fabulous, Big L, and Stack Bundles were on some top artist shyt…. Dre has just a much of a right to be honored that way, due to the words HE put together. Solo albums don't matter. We don’t celebrate Black Thought because of his modern solo’s, we celebrate the timeless classic verses he spit with the BAND he belongs to, the Roots.

You not a top 5 rapper of all time if you have never released a solo rap album on your own. The guy is a part of a group and that's it.

I like his flow and he comes up with clever lyrics but there is more to being an artist than that. Inside the group his work is impeccable but apart from it there's almost nothing to rank. He doesn't have the catalog apart from his work with Big Boi to be ranked that way.

Those artist you listed like Fab are living proof that you can be lyrically nice and not be a top artist. Dre gets a pass because he is a member of one of the greatest hip hop duos of all time so he gets to come sit at the table with other artist who tried and failed on their own while people warp the expectations and criteria to judge him.

Somebody like Nas has 30 years of defending his place. Till this day he can still put together a respectable quality album and he's made 17 solo albums. Comparing him to half of a group like they did the same thing is bullshyt.

 

[987654321]

You not a top 5 rapper of all time if you have never released a solo rap album on your own. The guy is a part of a group and that's it.

I like his flow and he comes up with clever lyrics but there is more to being an artist than that. Inside the group his work is impeccable but apart from it there's almost nothing to rank. He doesn't have the catalog apart from his work with Big Boi to be ranked that way.

Those artist you listed like Fab are living proof that you can be lyrically nice and not be a top artist. Dre gets a pass because he is a member of one of the greatest hip hop duos of all time so he gets to come sit at the table with other artist who tried and failed on their own while people warp the expectations and criteria to judge him.

Somebody like Nas has 30 years of defending his place. Till this day he can still put together a respectable quality album and he's made 17 solo albums. Comparing him to half of a group like they did the same thing is bullshyt.

There’s no arm of legislation or enforcement to even make that a rule. None of this shyt is real. These are entertainers, this isn’t a martial art. This isn’t Alive in chains where they collectively write each other’s verses and harmonize them in sync.

Every rapper builds their legacy through their own verses by their own merit. We don’t knock Phife’s pre-solo legacy because of Jarobi, do we? Hell naw, he was already respected as a rapper, regardless of Tribes’s other members. Are going to knock Premo because Group home?! That wouldn’t make sense, just like the rest of these arbitrary rules that don’t exist outside of message boards and bitter talking heads.


What’s next, Sade and Maxwell aren’t can no longer be considered as some of the greatest of their fields because they’re actually lead singers of the same band?! Should we take away all the pre-solo goat crowning Rakim got because he was with Eric B?!

 

[The_Hillsta]

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Hav always had bars, even when P was in his prime. Just like Big Boi with Dre.

You're making my point... They did. But when they was on the same tracks, Prodigy was clearly SEEN as the better rapper. Same with Dre.

Havoc himself admitted this and said himself he had to step up his bars to avoid getting outshined like on Infamous.. That's his words

 

[Still Benefited]

Big boi aint thinking about this weird nikka man

 

[NormanConnors]

Yeah it's called fear of failure. It would be insanely difficult to make either a solo album or a new OutKast album because critics would rip it to shreds and it would never live up to the hype of people's imaginations.

I dont quite think its that, for a good minute Jive was blocking those dudes from making music together when both were on board, somewhere after that a disconnect happened. On the flip popping up for a 16 every now and then is a lot easier than having to lock in and craft an album, group or solo especially if you haven't done it in a while, cats can get rusty and stay that way.

 

[Mac Ten]

dre 3ks music is more accessible to whites so they want to push him

its why big boi has had to fight so hard

thankfully people finally realized he actually is talented around the time of sir lucious. love big boi

Andre is the safest dude….

The Wayne Brady Of rap.


What’s crazy is that Dre was doin the dirt.


He’s smart to use the dresses as a distraction though.


Big Boi was unique in his own special way.

His older verses were hyper and animated and just random.

Dude said on West Savannah that he had Sade in his tape deck.

 

[Mac Ten]

Then that's your loss.. especially LL album.

U damn right..

I was disappointed. I couldn’t get high to either album.


I had to put on Doggfather instead

 

[Mac Ten]

Bun n krit could have work but that was some shiesty as shyt .. krit could have came up with something on the fly that woulda jammed

Its a reason why bun was quik to trademark the word trill didn’t wait til the dirt settle on pimps grave

If it ain’t the bird seeds and it has to go threw bun if u wanna use the word

Pimp probably would have kept the name…


Bun can rap on any beat. Hopefully, I can hear him do some work with Mannie Fresh a whole album.

 

[boogers]

Andre is the safest dude….

The Wayne Brady Of rap.


What’s crazy is that Dre was doin the dirt.


He’s smart to use the dresses as a distraction though.


Big Boi was unique in his own special way.

His older verses were hyper and animated and just random.

Dude said on West Savannah that he had Sade in his tape deck.

its not that he was 'safe' he was just swagger jacking the great Purple One

 

[Greenhornet]

obviously he's furthest apart... he's on stage doing a completely different genre finding his footing in actually releasing the style of music he wants

him doing nothing is indeed actually closer to reconnecting and wanting to release a rap album than focusing on doing jazz music

 

[winb83]

There are people that say Eminem is a top 5 or even the GOAT and people on this forum would shout them down citing stuff like his album catalog and a lack of classic albums that 3000 can't even be graded against. 3000 gets to take all the good parts of his half of OutKast and be argued into the GOAT conversation while other people who have ability and a track record ultimately fail and don't get to hide behind being in a group. 3000 never had to carry an entire project outside The Love Below by himself and that's not a rap album.

I'm not even against the guy I just think people should stop trying to push him into a conversation where you have to create selective handicaps to even get him in there to begin with. You wanna talk groups OutKast is one of the greatest and 3000 was a part of that. Those are his flowers. He can't be GOAT as an individual artist or even in that conversation if he can't really be separated from Big Boi.

 

[Chris Cool]

Insecure Nas Stans with the solo talk.

 

[Pure Water]

Man I don't need another Outkast album. nikkas just need one solo Andre rap album. That's it. It's like this nikkas was scared to rap alone or some shyt.

Big Boi gave us 3 solo albums. Why couldn't Andre do it?