An Actual NUBIAN man writes a letter to hoteps/ankhs who culturally appropriate his people

[Samori Toure]

The people who shame Hoteps for their obsession with The Nile Valley don't even understand African history themselves.

Not only that but they can't seem to grasp that just because you were shipped from a port in let's say Central Africa; that doesn't mean that the slaves were from Central Africa. Many slaves were brought from far, far inland. The Lunda of the modern Democratic Republic of Congo; Angola and Zambia are known to have ventured inland as far as modern day Tanzania to get slaves. Those slaves were transported to the Atlantic coast and sold to the Portuguese.

Lunda Empire - New World Encyclopedia
Capoeira

That is why I hate these one size fit all Black people topics; because a simple DNA test will show our folks that their DNA is from literally all over Africa. So African American is a very apt description for Black people in the USA.

 

[A1aaa]

very corny and stupid talking point. the "hotep" movement is pretty irrelevant in the real world as is... to come at them with some grandstanding, multi-paragraph fake outrage bullshyt over some online posts/IG memes is nonsense.

 

[BigMan]

Didn't want to throw this out there, but some African ethnic groups that are now in Central and West Africa are actually from Sudan and Egypt. The Kaba people of Chad come to mind. The Kaba also known as the Sara people which is Arabic for "Sons of Ra" are actually from the Northeast along the Nile River. They were chased into Chad by the Arab slave raiders.

Sara people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many Kaba people were captured in the trans-Atlantic slave trade, so it would not be surprising if some African Americans genetically actually traced back to the ethnic groups like the Kaba people that are actually Nilo-Saharan.

So just like it is silly overstating the Nubia, it also kind of silly not to recognize many, many ethnic groups that African Americans truly descend from; some of which are originally from in and around Nubia. DNA is showing it all.

it's unlikely a large proposition of AA come from the SAra people

 

[Bawon Samedi]

People in this thread are saying "militants" or "hoteps" are in their feelings, and yet all I am mostly seeing is slick comments thrown at African-Americans. Funny.

While I agree with most of what the guy said in the letter, he shouldn't get cocky, because for one the term "Nubian" was just a generalized term for people south of Kemet. It was never used by the Egyptians or people south of Egypt. There was never a "Nubian" people. The term was coined by the Romans themselves(so how can we be stealing the term from a people when those same people never created the term), but more importantly yes the term was indeed synonymous with "black." It meant the dark skinned black people south of Kemet.

And even more importantly you modern day Nubians/Northern Sudanese should not get so cocky, becuse you guys yourselves hardy descend from the Ancient "Nubians" like the Kushyte, but instead your linage only maybe goes back to after the fall of the Kush Empire after it was destroyed by the Axum Empire. You guys come from desert nomads who migrated to that area after the fall.

Instead the Kushyte people(the ones who built those fancy pyramids in Sudan) were most likely more similar to modern day Dinka people. I mean the Dinka people originated in Central Sudan which was where the Kushyte Empire began. Exactly what is so different about their way of life? Dinka are semi-agricultural pastoralists. So were the Kushytes. Dinka revered their cattle. So did the Kushytes. Yes, the languages of the Dinka and Kushytes may be different but they are still closely related. Though as time went on the Kushyte empire did absorb other Nubians who were more elongated/lighter in appearances.

And for those saying African-Americans have a weird obsession with Nile Valley civilization. Please answer to these STR results...

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf

These STRs were aquired by Zahi Hawass himself. All DNAtribes did was put them into their computers to find a match(which anyone can do). The STRs in this study are mostly found in modern populations like Bantu people of Southern Africa, modern they Nilotic speakers(they have the most) and to a small intent West Africans. All this goes back to the Wet Sahara.

Meanwhile the irony is when it comes to the STR for the 18th dynasty family modern day Horners, Egyptians, Northern Sudanese and Levantine lag behind tremendously. Their clades back then didn't exist yet...

Yeah I went there.

 

[Poitier]

it's unlikely a large proposition of AA come from the SAra people

No, its not.

 

[BigMan]

Hoteps /AAdo have an obsession with Egypt for many reasons

 

[BigMan]

No, its not.

The simple fact that slaves were taken from all over Africa prove that possibly yes. Likely? No

 

[Poitier]

The simple fact that slaves were taken from all over Africa prove that possibly yes. Likely? No

And it is likely no matter how you feel

 

[SeveroDrgnfli]

Hebrew Israelites actually speak hebrew and teach at their schools lol, Jews speak Yiddish that don't even speak hebrew

Fascinating. All the Jewish families I worked for spoke Israeli in their house which I assumed was Hebrew.

 

[BigMan]

And it is likely no matter how you feel

I feel 0 ways bruh

 

[Samori Toure]

it's unlikely a large proposition of AA come from the SAra people

African Americans are going to be from almost every African ethnic group there is. There were Civil wars and slave raids on the continent for hundreds of years. The losers went into slavery and were sold to the White man or the Arabs. I don't know where people ancestors are from but DNA tests would show people the modern ethnic groups that their ancestors descended from.

By the way I knew nothing about the Kaba people and for that matter the Bulala people until I took a DNA test. The Bulala are also from Chad. They sacked Kanem and forced that empire further west to Bornu (Nigeria). The Bulala in turn set up a trading empire; where they were the middlemen between Egypt and Sub Saharan Africans.

Bilala people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Just so people have an idea of where Chad is; it is right next to Cameroon and Nigeria. The whole region was raided for slaves.

Sudan is east of Chad. Libya and Egypt are North of Chad. Congo is South of Chad.

Btw, scientists are trying to figure out why Ancient Egyptian leaders took visits to Chad.

Unreported Heritage News: Ancient Egyptians made the arduous trek to Chad new research suggests

 

[BigMan]

Fascinating. All the Jewish families I worked for spoke Israeli in their house which I assumed was Hebrew.

Israeli is not a language, most Jews speak English Yiddish or some other Jew langyage

 

[Bawon Samedi]

People in this thread are saying "militants" or "hoteps" are in their feelings, and yet all I am mostly seeing is slick comments thrown at African-Americans. Funny.

While I agree with most of what the guy said in the letter, he shouldn't get cocky, because for one the term "Nubian" was just a generalized term for people south of Kemet. It was never used by the Egyptians or people south of Egypt. There was never a "Nubian" people. The term was coined by the Romans themselves(so how can we be stealing the term from a people when those same people never created the term), but more importantly yes the term was indeed synonymous with "black." It meant the dark skinned black people south of Kemet.

And even more importantly you modern day Nubians/Northern Sudanese should not get so cocky, becuse you guys yourselves hardy descend from the Ancient "Nubians" like the Kushyte, but instead your linage only maybe goes back to after the fall of the Kush Empire after it was destroyed by the Axum Empire. You guys come from desert nomads who migrated to that area after the fall.

Instead the Kushyte people(the ones who built those fancy pyramids in Sudan) were most likely more similar to modern day Dinka people. I mean the Dinka people originated in Central Sudan which was where the Kushyte Empire began. Exactly what is so different about their way of life? Dinka are semi-agricultural pastoralists. So were the Kushytes. Dinka revered their cattle. So did the Kushytes. Yes, the languages of the Dinka and Kushytes may be different but they are still closely related. Though as time went on the Kushyte empire did absorb other Nubians who were more elongated/lighter in appearances.

And for those saying African-Americans have a weird obsession with Nile Valley civilization. Please answer to these STR results...

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf

These STRs were aquired by Zahi Hawass himself. All DNAtribes did was put them into their computers to find a match(which anyone can do). The STRs in this study are mostly found in modern populations like Bantu people of Southern Africa, modern they Nilotic speakers(they have the most) and to a small intent West Africans. All this goes back to the Wet Sahara.

Meanwhile the irony is when it comes to the STR for the 18th dynasty family modern day Horners, Egyptians, Northern Sudanese and Levantine lag behind tremendously. Their clades back then didn't exist yet...

Yeah I went there.

What, still no explanation from the crowd saying AAs have an obsession with Egypt for why modern Horners, Northern Sudanese and Egyptians lag behind even West Africans in MLI scores?

Still waiting.

 

[BigMan]

African Americans are going to be from almost every African ethnic group there is. There were Civil wars and slave raids on the continent for hundreds of years. The losers went into slavery and were sold to the White man or the Arabs. I don't know where people ancestors are from but DNA tests would show people the modern ethnic groups that their ancestors descended from.

By the way I knew nothing about the Kaba people and for that matter the Bulala people until I took a DNA test. The Bulala are also from Chad. They sacked Kanem and forced that empire further west to Bornu (Nigeria). The Bulala in turn set up a trading empire; where they were the middlemen between Egypt and Sub Saharan Africans.

Bilala people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Just so people have an idea of where Chad is; it is right next to Cameroon and Nigeria. The whole region was raided for slaves.

Good post.

Question for you, what's your opinion on the phrase "sub Saharan"

 

[VegasCAC]

how come no one ever writes think pieces about the fact that theres a pyramid on the american dollar. it's ok for europeans who have zero connection to africa, but when black americans take an interest its a problem.

The pyramid on Dollar bills is imagery representative of the thirteen colonies (13 steps) and has little directly to do with Africa. Egypt doesn't have some kind of monopoly on the shape, or the structure