An Actual NUBIAN man writes a letter to hoteps/ankhs who culturally appropriate his people

[Poitier]

From the studies I read AAs mostly have Nigerian admixture followed by Mandinka and then Bantu.

And I've read studies where AAs were overwhelmingly Bantu which kind of supports the "so mixed up that no one knows" narrative.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Another poster (Soforrealdoe) posted his results right after mine. His number 1 group was Kaba.

http://www.thecoli.com/posts/19123269/


I don't know what to say other than that the Kaba people must have ended up in large numbers in the Atlantic Slave trade.

None of us were alive when all of this was going on, but DNA is pretty accurate.

Again INDIVIDUALS and from Ancestry.com which is just one private DNA company. Not can you post results for AAs as a whole? Because again mos studies have AAs on average with Nigerian admixture coming first followed by Mandinka and then Bantu.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

And I've read studies where AAs were overwhelmingly Bantu which kind of supports the "so mixed up that no one knows" narrative.

I never seen such study. Most studies I seen have African-Americans with non-Bantu admixture.

 

[Poitier]

I never seen such study. Most studies I seen have African-Americans with non-Bantu admixture.

There are plenty out there.

In fact, most new studies usually point to Cameroon (which borders Nigeria) and not Nigeria.

I only see the Nigerian/Igbo narrative in outdated text.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

There are plenty out there.

In fact, most new studies usually point to Cameroon (which borders Nigeria) and not Nigeria.

I only see the Nigerian/Igbo narrative in outdated text.

I hope you're not referring to Ancestry.com...

 

[Poitier]

I hope you're not referring to Ancestry.com...

Supervised STRUCTURE analysis (fig. S34) (4) was used to infer African American ancestry from global training populations, including both Bantu (Lemande) and non-Bantu (Mandinka) Niger-Kordofanian–speaking populations (fig. S34 and table S7). These results were generally consistent with the unsupervised STRUCTURE analysis (table S6) and demonstrate that most African Americans have high proportions of both Bantu (~0.45 mean) and non-Bantu (~0.22 mean) Niger-Kordofanian ancestry, concordant with diasporas originating as far west as Senegambia and as far south as Angola and South Africa (62). Thus, most African Americans are likely to have mixed ancestry from different regions of western Africa. This observation, together with the subtle substructure observed among Niger-Kordofanian speakers, will make it a challenge to trace the ancestry of African Americans to specific ethnic groups in Africa, unless considerably more markers are used.

The Genetic Structure and History of Africans and African Americans

 

[Samori Toure]

And I've read studies where AAs were overwhelmingly Bantu which kind of supports the "so mixed up that no one knows" narrative.

I would say overwhelmingly Bantu and Mande (Mandinka, Bambarans, Mende) and Akan (Brong mostly). Igbo and Yoruba people of Nigeria and Tikar (Bamileke and Bamoun) people of Cameroon were also here, but not in the numbers of the Bantu and Mande people.

Hell I think that Black people in the USA have always known that they were in some way descended from the Mandingo people (Mande) of the Mali Kingdom.

 

[Mr.Big Meat McGee]

Lmao, this is why I'm a proud American and Identify as African American. I've been discovering my identity as an African and I have to admit most pro black or afrocentric people I meet are delusional. There's no fukking way everyone descends from Nubia. shyt isn't even in the area of Africa crackers were taking slaves from the most.Then they want to talk about being descendants of slaves. So you're a descendant of royalty that was captured and sold into slavery?
Okay. So your ancestors were bytches? Got it.

Idk about African Americans. But some Haitians were actually descended from West African royalty ( ie. Toussaint Louverture )

 

[Samori Toure]

Again INDIVIDUALS and from Ancestry.com which is just one private DNA company. Not can you post results for AAs as a whole? Because again mos studies have AAs on average with Nigerian admixture coming first followed by Mandinka and then Bantu.

You are confusing Ancestry DNA with Gedmatch. Gedmatch is a separate company. Ancestry DNA and 23&Me just match you to a region. Gedmatch actually matches you to the tribes. The tribes might not even be in the region that Ancestry DNA indicated that you are from. I found out that Ancestry just picks a region that comes closest to your DNA. If Ancestry doesn't have a region for you test, because they don't have enough samples; then they will stick you in the region that comes the closest.

Gedmatch on the other hand must have enough samples to say that you belong to a specific tribe. Gedmatch shows me with matches to tribes in Kenya, Uganda and South Africa. Ancestry just shows Cameroon/Congo.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Supervised STRUCTURE analysis (fig. S34) (4) was used to infer African American ancestry from global training populations, including both Bantu (Lemande) and non-Bantu (Mandinka) Niger-Kordofanian–speaking populations (fig. S34 and table S7). These results were generally consistent with the unsupervised STRUCTURE analysis (table S6) and demonstrate that most African Americans have high proportions of both Bantu (~0.45 mean) and non-Bantu (~0.22 mean) Niger-Kordofanian ancestry, concordant with diasporas originating as far west as Senegambia and as far south as Angola and South Africa (62). Thus, most African Americans are likely to have mixed ancestry from different regions of western Africa. This observation, together with the subtle substructure observed among Niger-Kordofanian speakers, will make it a challenge to trace the ancestry of African Americans to specific ethnic groups in Africa, unless considerably more markers are used.

The Genetic Structure and History of Africans and African Americans

You should read this part of the study you posted...

The ancestry of African Americans is predominantly from Niger-Kordofanian (~71%), European (~13%), and other African (~8%) populations, although admixture levels varied considerably among individuals. This study helps tease apart the complex evolutionary history of Africans and African Americans, aiding both anthropological and genetic epidemiologic studies.
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Another study...

Genome-wide patterns of population structure and admixture in West Africans and African Americans

African Americans, analysis of genomic admixture by a principal component-based approach indicates that the median proportion of European ancestry is 18.5% (25th–75th percentiles: 11.6–27.7%) Finally, patterns of genetic similarity among inferred African segments of African-American genomes and genomes of contemporary African populations included in this study suggest African ancestry is most similar to non-Bantu Niger-Kordofanian-speaking populations, consistent with historical documents of the African Diaspora and trans-Atlantic slave trade.
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[Bawon Samedi]

You are confusing Ancestry DNA with Gedmatch. Gedmatch is a separate company. Ancestry DNA and 23&Me just match you to a region. Gedmatch actually matches you to the tribes. The tribes might not even be in the region that Ancestry DNA indicated that you are from. I found out that Ancestry just picks a region that comes closest to your DNA. If Ancestry doesn't have a region for you test, because they don't have enough samples; then they will stick you in the region that comes the closest.

Gedmatch on the other hand must have enough samples to say that you belong to a specific tribe. Gedmatch shows me with matches to tribes in Kenya, Uganda and South Africa. Ancestry just shows Cameroon/Congo.

Interesting.

 

[Poitier]

Study is BS and not that recent. Its BS because it is only using the Mandinka as representation as non-Bantu

No it doesn't. It even names Bantu groups like the Xhosa in the study.

And link to your study. I doubt the source is more valid than nor does it say anything about Nigerians given that non-Bantu Kordofanians is a pretty broad ass group.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

No it doesn't. It even names Bantu groups like the Xhosa in the study.

And link to your study. I doubt the source is more valid than nor does it say anything about Nigerians given that non-Bantu Kordofanians is a pretty broad ass group.

Read my edited post. I didn't realize we posted the same study.

The ancestry of African Americans is predominantly from Niger-Kordofanian (~71%), European (~13%), and other African (~8%) populations, although admixture levels varied considerably among individuals. This study helps tease apart the complex evolutionary history of Africans and African Americans, aiding both anthropological and genetic epidemiologic studies.

It doesn't matter if NK is a broad group, the fact is that AAs mostly descent from ethnic groups from West Africa then they do Bantus from Central Africa. And again in the quote you posted they were using Mandinka as representation for the non-Bantu group.

Anyways this is the study I was looking for this whole time.

To focus on African ancestry, we reduced the data to include only those genotypes in each African American that are African in origin. We found that all the African Americans are admixed in the African component of their ancestry, with estimated contributions of 19% West (for example, Mandenka), 63% West Central (for example, Yoruba), and 14% South West Central or Eastern (for example, Bantu speakers), with little variation among individuals.

Characterizing the admixed African ancestry of African Americans

AAs are more Nigerian than Bantu.

 

[Poitier]

It doesn't matter if NK is a broad group, the fact is that AAs mostly descent from ethnic groups from West Africa then they do Bantus from Central Africa.

I've seen countless studies that say otherwise and I've seen more AA's linked to Cameroonians when they do the individual DNA test than I have Nigerians.

 

[godkiller]

This letter has no credence. There are no more Nubians left in existence. The Nubians who exist today are not the Nubians of old like the Egyptians who exist today are not the Egyptians of old. Nubian physiology found in tombs does not match the halfbreed Arabs who call themselves "Nubians" today. So the greatest cultural appropriator of the Nubians is OP's source himself, who calls himself a Nubian yet is not one. He should preach to his own people before he preaches to the hoteps and ankhs, who wholesale know more about Ancient Egypt than he does.