America's Most Powerful Black Families

[jackson35]

And that's where we were headed. I recently listened to a portion of a lecture where the lecturer was talking about how our communities as a whole were basically thriving while whites were still in the rich/poor dynamic. We're more of a socialistic people, so we didn't have that extreme have/have not contrast like whites, who are more feudalistic and greedy in nature.

If we were living in an independent state politically then those families would be using their resources to better the situation of the masses of our people because they wouldn't have been artificially separated from us. They'd have a direct interest in the masses because of the lack of a separation.

We also wouldn't be dependent so much on a few prominent "families," as we'd have long perfected the process of identifying and then training groups of leaders who from youth have been groomed for their positions of responsibility, and not elected to them like some kinda popularity contest.

But we're under European control and they know they can't let that happen so they separated us through paper bag tests, integration, and all kinds of other wickedness.

more power then European control is the African ego. our communities would not be in this state of rage, frustration, confusion if we as black men stop engaging in behavior that only benifits us and not the collective

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

this individuals would be considered black if they used their influence to change the dynamic and lifestyle of African people. if black folks still have to go thru and deal with the same challenges as my ancestors, then they are not powerful. powerful to the collective community would be no longer having to worry about money in buying something to eat, keeping up with a mortgage, not being killed by some deranged enemy. if they can't stop this issue, then they are just Negros with titles

that's not how the world works. don't know why yall think a small few can wave a magic wand and change everything. these families are considered powerful/influential, but they're still not the top of the food chain. they're not the select .01% who rule global business and politics, they've been given an invite to the gala, but they're not getting in back room. even people like bezos, buffet, gates aint in that circle (yet)

furthermore, even if they legislated the shyt outta everything and made everyone equal on paper, there are masses of individuals whose actions and opinions would need to be changed (i.e. racist cops, biased teachers who label black boys as "special needs"), capitalism would need to be overthrown for some state controlled system (which is a problem itself) for everyone to no have to worry about food, mortgages, etc. they can't control everything and everyone.

unrealistic idealism for such a small group is ridiculous. people wouldn't say the president of a fortune 500 company isn't powerful simply because he's not the ceo, and people wouldn't say the ceo isn't powerful because he's not on the board of directors. to say these (and others) aren't powerful/influential simply because they don't sit at the top is quite dismissive, and pretty pessimistic as you'll never find an example of power based on your definition.

 

[jackson35]

that's not how the world works. don't know why yall think a small few can wave a magic wand and change everything. these families are considered powerful/influential, but they're still not the top of the food chain. they're not the select .01% who rule global business and politics, they've been given an invite to the gala, but they're not getting in back room. even people like bezos, buffet, gates aint in that circle (yet)

furthermore, even if they legislated the shyt outta everything and made everyone equal on paper, there are masses of individuals whose actions and opinions would need to be changed (i.e. racist cops, biased teachers who label black boys as "special needs"), capitalism would need to be overthrown for some state controlled system (which is a problem itself) for everyone to no have to worry about food, mortgages, etc. they can't control everything and everyone.

unrealistic idealism for such a small group is ridiculous. people wouldn't say the president of a fortune 500 company isn't powerful simply because he's not the ceo, and people wouldn't say the ceo isn't powerful because he's not on the board of directors. to say these (and others) aren't powerful/influential simply because they don't sit at the top is quite dismissive, and pretty pessimistic as you'll never find an example of power based on your definition.

it's works when it come to black self determination. black men have started maroon city's and towns that is 100 percent black own, why? because there was no ego involved, it was about us as a collective

 

[Pit Bull]

I hope you realize that if you're African American chances are some of your great grandparents probably looked like these people. Not all of them married white or light. That's how y'all dark asses got here. Stop comparing American history to Haiti and all these other places.

 

[invalid]

History is not static and definitions do change over time. So it is not incorrect to look back at history and see it through a new lens.

I agree.

Most of these new families were consisting of mulatto elites who benefitted from their white patriarchal line, most likely negotiated by black female slaves to accelerate the chance of their offsprings to get freedom. This has translated into these offsprings being able to build wealth and acquire education through that boost. It cannot be denied nor skipped over.

I don't think anyone is this thread has denied this.

Yes we can acknowledge perservance, and the determination to establish these families which span centuries but the above cannot be ignored.

No one as ignored this.

Are they a part of AA history, of course.

I think the issue is that people are claiming that they are not which is akin to revisionist history. A privliged mulatto elite existed. That's a fact. But in America, mulatto people still encompassed the range and span of blackness and still do. This was not the West Indies or Brazil, so there was no "buffer" class. There was no middle race so applying that lens when looking at American history doesn't work.

And it's absolutely fine to take a look at history through a new and improved lens. We have to be careful though especially as it relates to race.

Genetically, race doesn't exist. And if you say that it does, then we need to define it genetically.
I keep hearing the "average black american". What is the average black american? And what is the average black experience? Is it struggle?

If someone does not share in that struggle experience, does that put them outside the frame of blackness?

My definition of race is that it is a lived experience. Race exists, not genetically, but through how we live and move in the world.

Many of these folks lived in a time where a drop of black blood made a person black. That idea dictated how these people lived and moved in the world around them.

They lived their lives as black people in black neighborhoods. Went to black schools. Belong to black clubs and black churches. They experienced blackness. And this manifested on their physical bodies, not in the form of darker skin, but in the form of stress, depression, insecurity and fear that is shared by all black people everywhere in a white supremacist dominated society.

And blackness is so wide and so vast and so diverse, that we have enough room for their experiences too.

So yes. Black people struggled. Black people continues to struggle. There were black people that didn't struggle and neither continues to struggle.

Struggle blacks don't represent the plight of non-struggle blacks.
Non-struggle blacks don't represent the plight of struggle blacks.

But its all black.

 

[RTF]

Some of y'all make my head hurt trying to understand how you think.
I have never met any black person in reality that thinks light skin black people aren't black but this site is full of this nonsense

You’re missing the point.
Your average light skin black person is just that - a light skin black persons.

But we are talking generational wealth here. They are all very light skinned. Clearly, these are boule’s - a buffer class. You have them all over South America, Caribbean and even Africa. Their job is to be our ‘leaders’ and keep us docile while they get crumbs from the actual elite.

 

[RTF]

There was no formal buffer class but clearly there’s a buffer class.

It’s rare to have a family of all dark skinned people that enjoy this type of generational wealth in the USA. This is purposefully for a type of light skin person.

The issue isn’t that they’re light skin. It’s just that their light skin betrays the history of their wealth.

 

[Pit Bull]

Well the way that our world works, history is the decider of things.

Rachel Dolezal has not been accepted by the wider African American Community so that’s the difference and Cleopatra is not African American so I can care less.

These people though are mentioned in black history books written by black people. Are taught about by black people at Black schools. So there is an insinuation there that the wider black community has accepted them as one of their own.

You new blacks on the other hand want to revisit definitions, and identities, and lifestyles and explore it in ways that are a bit more granular. And I respect that. I do. Just be thorough and even handed.

@Big L Was the Biggest W is a mexicac. Don't explain shyt to him.

 

[panopticon]

Extraordinary work done by ab.aspectus in this thread.

Looking forward to reading "Our Kind Of People" - thank you for the book recommendation.
One thing I will say about the accusations of colorism...did you see who Valerie Jarrett's cousin married???

Vernon Jordan is damn near purple!

That's besides the point though. Really good work by everyone contributing to this thread in a positive way.

Knowledge is power.

 

[invalid]

@Big L Was the Biggest W is a mexicac. Don't explain shyt to him.

 

[invalid]

Extraordinary work done by ab.aspectus in this thread.

Looking forward to reading "Our Kind Of People" - thank you for the book recommendation.
One thing I will say about the accusations of colorism...did you see who Valerie Jarrett's cousin married???

Vernon Jordan is damn near purple!

That's besides the point though. Really good work by everyone contributing to this thread in a positive way.

Knowledge is power.

Right in your face.. And not just that....

Valerie was dating Ahmad Rashad.

Ann and Vernon

Antoinette Cook Bush and Dwight Bush

And Chyla Dibble was originally married to Vince Evans

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

Where do these theories come from?

The same people who believe the jews control everything

Levels breh. Now look who's parroting it.

 

[get these nets]

The same people who believe the jews control everything

Levels breh. Now look who's parroting it.

Listen, if you're upset about being on the LOSING end of a discussion here, you can bump that discussion and try to state your case again. I think EVERYBODY here knows that you are too shook to do that, though.

Anyway, members of these organizations and wealthy families have written books and articles about the origins and history of these groups. Lebron James being a member of Boule is highly unlikely. Which is why I asked where that story came from. And why there hasn't been an answer.

Any point I've made about Jewish individuals owning hollywood studios, publishing companies, media organizations, or running depts in academia is able to be confirmed. Though If you can find the post where I wrote that "jews control everything", I'd like to see it.

See how it works, somebody attempts to call you out and you shut them down with logic. Try it next time. Until then continue to hold those Ls I gave you & stay mad.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

Listen, if you're upset about being on the LOSING end of a discussion here, you can bump that discussion and try to state your case again. I think EVERYBODY here knows that you are too shook to do that, though.

Anyway, members of these organizations and wealthy families have written books and articles about the origins and history of these groups. Lebron James being a member of Boule is highly unlikely. Which is why I asked where that story came from. And why there hasn't been an answer.

Any point I've made about Jewish individuals owning hollywood studios, publishing companies, media organizations, or running depts in academia is able to be confirmed. Though If you can find the post where I wrote that "jews control everything", I'd like to see it.

See how it works, somebody attempts to call you out and you shut them down with logic. Try it next time. Until then continue to hold those Ls I gave you & stay mad.

nikka I'm not trying to argue you with you.

you're simply not getting what I'm saying

the smearing of black secret orgs/wealthy families that came from cacs.

Goddamn ya'll put everything on the line just to be "right" like anybody else outside this forum section cares.

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

I agree with this.

But America never acknowledged a buffer class. And whether one is "heavily admixed" or just "admixed", the fact of the matter, the average african american is only around 70-80% black. The other 20-25% is European. We're admixed at varying amounts. Whether one has a little more European or a little more African.

Good point. Most white people today can't really conceptualize the idea of "old money" black people. They know hood rich nikkas like Jay and Bron, but the true bourgeoisie is invisible to them for the most part especially outside the coast.