Americans and their love of firearms

[The War Report]

One more time for you idiots and foreigners:

The 2nd Amendment is there so you can protect yourself against your own government if it need be. It has nothing to with criminals, criminal activity, or any other crap. State governments extend the right to use the firearm to protect yourself, home and property.

JESUS fukkING CHRIST. Read a fukking book or take 15 minutes to read a wiki or something.

fukking a$$hole Canadian Falafel eating motherfukker.

 

[mbewane]

Easy, the same way middle east insurgents have been doing it without large scale weaponry. There is nothing wrong with a healthy distrust in government, the founders had them. And its not just threats from the inside, but outside as well - right to bear arms is why no country could ever occupy us as well (as the British found out during the American revolution - another reason for the 2nd amendment).

At the end of the day I like my guns, I have a right to bear arms and I'm a law abiding citizen - end of story. You don't like it? Move to a country where there is no 2nd amendment. There's plenty of them.

Never said there something wrong with a healthy distrust of gov, that's why you have different layers of gov in the first place (shyt, the US is a Federation so States are able to check what the Federal State does, and even more so than in other Federations -Spain, Belgium...-).

Honestly, do you really fear your govt? If so, to each his own, but WHY though? Where does that fear of your own govt come? (I'm not trolling, I really fail to understand this aspect of American culture).

On the other hand no country is plotting on invading the US anytime soon, and it has less to do with you having a gun than with the US Army having planes, submarines, A-bombs and being the most technologically advanced army in the world. Your biggest threats are terrorist attacks, and your gun isn't going to much about that.

I guess it boils down to culture, I just have a hard time understanding that someone would "like" a gun...to me it can only mean you like shooting at things...animals...people?

And if another law-abiding American feels threatened by all these arms and that good old arm-fair loophole (where basically anyone can buy a gun, no identity checks), you're telling him to move out of the country? (I'm not in the US). Why not take into account his point of view, when all these arms obviously have an impact on overall security?

 

[Type Username Here]

-).

Honestly, do you really fear your govt? If so, to each his own, but WHY though? Where does that fear of your own govt come? (I'm not trolling, I really fail to understand this aspect of American culture).

American culture? The concept is not new. A government at the will of their people is much less likely to be corrupt.

You fear your own government because absolute power corrupts absolutely. Even if your government is "good", what guarantees you that future versions will also be "good"? You need a method of protection.

 

[Gallo]

Never said there something wrong with a healthy distrust of gov, that's why you have different layers of gov in the first place (shyt, the US is a Federation so States are able to check what the Federal State does, and even more so than in other Federations -Spain, Belgium...-).

Honestly, do you really fear your govt? If so, to each his own, but WHY though? Where does that fear of your own govt come? (I'm not trolling, I really fail to understand this aspect of American culture).

On the other hand no country is plotting on invading the US anytime soon, and it has less to do with you having a gun than with the US Army having planes, submarines, A-bombs and being the most technologically advanced army in the world. Your biggest threats are terrorist attacks, and your gun isn't going to much about that.

I guess it boils down to culture, I just have a hard time understanding that someone would "like" a gun...to me it can only mean you like shooting at things...animals...people?

And if another law-abiding American feels threatened by all these arms and that good old arm-fair loophole (where basically anyone can buy a gun, no identity checks), you're telling him to move out of the country? (I'm not in the US). Why not take into account his point of view, when all these arms obviously have an impact on overall security?

Why do you keep repeating the same thing? Read again. You sound like a p*ssy.

 

[Gallo]

American culture? The concept is not new. A government at the will of their people is much less likely to be corrupt.

You fear your own government because absolute power corrupts absolutely. Even if your government is "good", what guarantees you that future versions will also be "good"? You need a method of protection.

I wouldn't say its a fear imo. A healthy distrust which is steeped in the constitution by our founding fathers - freedom of speech, to assemble, no search and seizures, press, right to bear arms etc. Those amendments are all based on a healthy distrust of government power - that yes absolute power corrupts.

 

[The War Report]

American culture? The concept is not new. A government at the will of their people is much less likely to be corrupt.

You fear your own government because absolute power corrupts absolutely. Even if your government is "good", what guarantees you that future versions will also be "good"? You need a method of protection.

Are you conservative?

 

[Type Username Here]

Are you conservative?

Hell no.

People forget, the 2nd Amendment was a LIBERAL thought and implementation.

 

[The War Report]

Hell no.

People forget, the 2nd Amendment was a LIBERAL thought and implementation.

I ask because you're always harping about government.

 

[mbewane]

Why do you keep repeating the same thing? Read again. You sound like a p*ssy.

...that's actually a great point you make right there, never thought about that. "Why do you keep discussing on a discussion forum"...

Sleep tight with those guns, you never know when the US might invade...uh, the US

 

[mbewane]

American culture? The concept is not new. A government at the will of their people is much less likely to be corrupt.

You fear your own government because absolute power corrupts absolutely. Even if your government is "good", what guarantees you that future versions will also be "good"? You need a method of protection.

OK, but I know that absolute power corrupts (I'm well aware of various revolutions/dictatorships). My question was far more specific: while other countries have developed various levels of checks and balances to control the central gov (and the Federation system in the US is actually one of the most efficient ones to do so), why do Americans keep relying on this "I gotta protect myself from the gov" argument?

And even if, for some crazy reason, the US Federal Gvt decided to attack its own citizens, why really makes you think that a couple of guns owned per household could withstand such an attack?

This being said, if you guys don't see any link between the mortality rate by gunshots (taking into account that a whole lot happen within households), well keep on busting them guns

 

[Malta]

And even if, for some crazy reason, the US Federal Gvt decided to attack its own citizens, why really makes you think that a couple of guns owned per household could withstand such an attack?

LMAO word, the amendment was made at a time when people were using muskets, flint lock pistols and cannons were the highest form ground based power.

Like we really have any hope of stopping our own military if the government took the kid gloves off them and said "fukk civilian casualties, put the fear of God in them".

Countries that have bans on guns have significantly lower murder rates than us, how anyone can argue against something so simple is hilarious.

 

[Mowgli]

Canadians need to just mind their business. This is how we do things.

 

[Takerstani]

What's it to you?

 

[DalMem]

Easy, the same way middle east insurgents have been doing it without large scale weaponry. There is nothing wrong with a healthy distrust in government, the founders had them. And its not only threats from the inside, but outside as well - right to bear arms is why no country could ever occupy us (as the British found out during the American revolution).

At the end of the day I like my guns, I have a right to bear arms and I'm a law abiding citizen - end of story. You don't like it? Move to a country where there is no 2nd amendment. There's plenty of them.

Those middle east insurgents have large scale weaponry that are funded by Billionaire terrorist leaders.

Billy Bob in Mississippi don't. shyt the government don't need to use weapons, when they already controlling your mind through the media and applied eugenics. Billy Bob with a gun is too stupid to realize that.

 

[Type Username Here]

why do Americans keep relying on this "I gotta protect myself from the gov" argument?

And even if, for some crazy reason, the US Federal Gvt decided to attack its own citizens, why really makes you think that a couple of guns owned per household could withstand such an attack?

This being said, if you guys don't see any link between the mortality rate by gunshots (taking into account that a whole lot happen within households), well keep on busting them guns

It has nothing to do with being outpowered, it has to do with the numbers. Citizens outnumber the potential government. Citizens make up the military and police. Look at Egypt, the people were massively outgunned, but had enough willpower to overcome, and a significant portion of it was their military denying to follow orders and siding with the populace.

No one is "busting" guns except criminals who acquire weapons illegally. Check the countries that ban weapons and you'll see that it does not stop their criminals from still having weapons and "busting their guns".

LMAO word, the amendment was made at a time when people were using muskets, flint lock pistols and cannons were the highest form ground based power.

Like we really have any hope of stopping our own military if the government took the kid gloves off them and said "fukk civilian casualties, put the fear of God in them".

Citizens control those tanks, jets, and weapons. Check what happened in Egypt. If you ever been in the military, you'll realize what you can do with just firearms if you know the proper tactics.

Countries that have bans on guns have significantly lower murder rates than us, how anyone can argue against something so simple is hilarious.

NOT TRUE:

Around the world, from Australia to England, countries that have recently strengthened gun-control laws with the promise of lowering crime have instead seen violent crime soar. In the four years after the U.K. banned handguns in 1996, gun crime rose by an astounding 40%. Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most guns and making it a crime to use a gun defensively, armed robberies rose by 51%, unarmed robberies by 37%, assaults by 24% and kidnappings by 43%. While murders fell by 3%, manslaughter rose by 16%.

Gun-control advocates conveniently ignore that the countries with the highest homicide rates have gun bans.

USATODAY.com - Gun laws don't reduce crime