Am I the only one who can't stand superhero movies?

[TNC]

I can certainly understand why someone wouldn't be into them. I am but they're certainly not bulletproof

I hear you, but when I hear people complain about Superhero movies, I'm like "do you not like movies with protagonists and antagonists?!?"

Superhero movies are really just a type of action/adventure movie. There is a main character(s) and some sort of opposition. Really The Terminator, James Bond, Neo, John Wick, Ed Norton in fight Club, The Punisher, Adam Sandler in Click, etc. they are ALL superheroes in some way.

I think people who complain about them just don't like the stylist approach they have.... feel me?

 

[satam55]

I hear you, but when I hear people complain about Superhero movies, I'm like "do you not like movies with protagonists and antagonists?!?"

Superhero movies are really just a type of action/adventure movie. There is a main character(s) and some sort of opposition. Really The Terminator, James Bond, Neo, John Wick, Ed Norton in fight Club, The Punisher, Adam Sandler in Click, etc. they are ALL superheroes in some way.

I think people who complain about them just don't like the stylist approach they have.... feel me?

This. When I hear folks complain about Superhero films, I'm like why don't y'all complain about summer blockbuster films in general instead of just picking on Superhero films?

 

[MartyMcFly]

This. When I hear folks complain about Superhero films, I'm like why don't y'all complain about summer blockbuster films in general instead of just picking on Superhero films?

I think the feeling when complaining about comic book flicks is sometimes they tend to be very predictable just as far as the beats go and even being able to predict how each act will play out. There's a co host on fatman on batman, Marc Bernardin, very smart guy, wrote some comics, worked in television, etc, and what Marc always says is that while he loves comic book flicks because he loves comic books, he understands that there are certain things he wants from a movie that a lot of comic book flicks (not all of them) won't give him in terms of character progression, arc, real stakes, etc. but he's fine with that because he loves going along for the ride.

The difference between a typical comic book flick and something like fight club or john wick is that there are true stakes and true character progression. John starts at one place, ends in another. The narrator in fight club starts in one place, ends in a completely different place. Even James Bond, which truly had little character progression for 50 years, has now decided to progress James as a character and not just treat him as an archetype who starts and stops in the same place. Him getting married was part of that but then the series only touched on what the end of that marriage did to him and how it affected him. Whereas the outcome of Casino Royale clearly messed with him and he needed a whole movie to deal with it and that type of attention to detail and character progression is something they've seemingly wanted to focus on for this iteration of Bond and I love it.

I don't think homie was complaining for the sake of complaining, I think he wanted to get a dialogue going (or maybe I'm too optimistic and he really didn't give a shyt about dialogue and just wanted to vent) but I think there is something to be said for his point of view and people who feel that way because he's not alone. He's not the first person I've heard say something like that and I don't begrudge anyone for how they feel about comic book flicks because they can be very very formulaic

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

Super hero films are shoved down our throat to a degree. There's too many of them. I still haven't seen AoA. I'm more likely to see Ant Man

I'm ready for BvS just because there's some much intrigue. Hopefully the new Cap brings that back to Marvel.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion..

I love these movies and I'm happy I can say that I lived to see them make these comic book movies a reality..

I loved them as a kid and I'm takin my 2 sons to see all of these movies and I hope they never stop

 

[chico25]

I think the feeling when complaining about comic book flicks is sometimes they tend to be very predictable just as far as the beats go and even being able to predict how each act will play out. There's a co host on fatman on batman, Marc Bernardin, very smart guy, wrote some comics, worked in television, etc, and what Marc always says is that while he loves comic book flicks because he loves comic books, he understands that there are certain things he wants from a movie that a lot of comic book flicks (not all of them) won't give him in terms of character progression, arc, real stakes, etc. but he's fine with that because he loves going along for the ride.

The difference between a typical comic book flick and something like fight club or john wick is that there are true stakes and true character progression. John starts at one place, ends in another. The narrator in fight club starts in one place, ends in a completely different place. Even James Bond, which truly had little character progression for 50 years, has now decided to progress James as a character and not just treat him as an archetype who starts and stops in the same place. Him getting married was part of that but then the series only touched on what the end of that marriage did to him and how it affected him. Whereas the outcome of Casino Royale clearly messed with him and he needed a whole movie to deal with it and that type of attention to detail and character progression is something they've seemingly wanted to focus on for this iteration of Bond and I love it.

I don't think homie was complaining for the sake of complaining, I think he wanted to get a dialogue going (or maybe I'm too optimistic and he really didn't give a shyt about dialogue and just wanted to vent) but I think there is something to be said for his point of view and people who feel that way because he's not alone. He's not the first person I've heard say something like that and I don't begrudge anyone for how they feel about comic book flicks because they can be very very formulaic

If I'm understanding what you are saying here, that superheroes don't have character development and stakes in their movies. If that is what you are saying I disagree with that premise. The very idea of an origin story is to take a character from the person they were to the hero they become due to what happens to them during that story, that is character development. As for follow up on that progression in sequels, that varies from character to character.

One character I think has had great character development since being put on film is Tony Stark. In his first movie he was an irresponsible genius who didn't care enough to make sure the tools he built were put to good use by the end we see him fighting to stop his latest weapon from falling into the wrong hands. Which is where we find him at the beginning of the next film. He's dying as a result of what happened to him in the previous film and still trying to make sure that the Ironman suit design doesn't go to the government to do whatever they want with it. Instead he makes sure someone he trusts gets it. When he is cured of what's killing him he realizes what is important to him and starts a relationship with the woman closest to him. He's in a good place in his life at the time avengers starts then devastated by the time it ends. He's paranoid, having panic attacks and constantly building new armor to prepare for what he now knows is out there. In the end he works through all that to get back to that good place he was in at the beginning of avengers and arguably quit being Ironman. By the time Age of Ultron starts he has been pulled back into the fight but is looking to get back out for good. That is his motive for Ultron, create a means of protecting the world that won't require him to risk everything he had to lose. By the end he decided he couldn't shoulder the responsibility any more and went back to enjoy his good life.

 

[chico25]

I don't get why someone would hate a genre of movies. Regardless of the genre most movies vary in tone story and execution enough to stand out in some way. When I hear people say they hate horror movies or hate action movies it's just to me. That's the same way I feel here. The difference between say the Saw movies and the OG Texas Chainsaw Massacre is huge but they are the same genre.

Saying you hate comicbook/superhero movies is putting them all in the same box without regard to how different they are. I'm not okay with say Ghost Rider being in the same box as The Dark Knight. With film quality, like everything else, there's levels to this shyt even within a genre.

 

[FlyRy]

Im burnt out on them

 

[MartyMcFly]

If I'm understanding what you are saying here, that superheroes don't have character development and stakes in their movies. If that is what you are saying I disagree with that premise. The very idea of an origin story is to take a character from the person they were to the hero they become due to what happens to them during that story, that is character development. As for follow up on that progression in sequels, that varies from character to character.

One character I think has had great character development since being put on film is Tony Stark. In his first movie he was an irresponsible genius who didn't care enough to make sure the tools he built were put to good use by the end we see him fighting to stop his latest weapon from falling into the wrong hands. Which is where we find him at the beginning of the next film. He's dying as a result of what happened to him in the previous film and still trying to make sure that the Ironman suit design doesn't go to the government to do whatever they want with it. Instead he makes sure someone he trusts gets it. When he is cured of what's killing him he realizes what is important to him and starts a relationship with the woman closest to him. He's in a good place in his life at the time avengers starts then devastated by the time it ends. He's paranoid, having panic attacks and constantly building new armor to prepare for what he now knows is out there. In the end he works through all that to get back to that good place he was in at the beginning of avengers and arguably quit being Ironman. By the time Age of Ultron starts he has been pulled back into the fight but is looking to get back out for good. That is his motive for Ultron, create a means of protecting the world that won't require him to risk everything he had to lose. By the end he decided he couldn't shoulder the responsibility any more and went back to enjoy his good life.

No.see, I said most..not all, and I was sure to make sure that I made that clear. Which is what Marc was saying on his show. Obviously it exists but there are times when it's

 

[I AM WARHOL]

I'm getting there. I'm probably gonna be done with them after BvS. Only one I care to watch

 

[chico25]

No.see, I said most..not all, and I was sure to make sure that I made that clear. Which is what Marc was saying on his show. Obviously it exists but there are times when it's

Give me an example of some you believe are lacking.

 

[Dwight Howard]

if more superhero movies were like the Batman series/ X-Men I would like them more. Like other have said character progression and strong writing appeal to some more than others. Im a fan of realistic world-building. Every superhero movie is unrealistic to an extent, but some form of realism make them more enjoybale to me as well. I slpet pn Guardians mainly cause it looked kinda childish, but I was pleasantly surprised. The world building was pretty good. I really do feel as if every superhero movie would be better if it took a realistic approach and focused more on the art instead of pleasing crowds. Take Dark Knight for example, there are plenty of jaw dropping action sequences, but I wouldnt say they are the highlight of the movie. The writing and characters were. The story was, etc. Ive been dissapointed with the Spiderman reboots because they keep getting more and more childish. I felt the ones from the 00's were a perfect balance.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Fully prepared to get hammered for this thread, but fukk it

I never get excited about the new ones and never go to see them because they just feel like over-produced hype machines without compelling stories or interesting characters. They are the embodiment of Hollywood's attempts to just keep cashing in on the creative leg work that has already been done by others in the past because they know people will keep coming to see them. They don't have to put any thought into it anymore. They just feel empty and soulless, relying on CGI and explosions and hype building up for the next sequel.

Okay rant over. Is anyone with me on this or is the general consensus to just stfu and enjoy them for what they are?

I agree with everything you said, but I still go see them shyts

 

[MartyMcFly]

Give me an example of some you believe are lacking.

Now again I can include some marvel flicks right since it's a continuing series?

 

[chico25]

Now again I can include some marvel flicks right since it's a continuing series?

It's up to you. You are the one making the claim that "most" superhero movies lack character development. I just want to know which movies you are thinking of when you say this and what your idea of character development means.