"Always Forward" - Official Marvel's "Luke Cage" Season 2 Thread

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So .... here we are 10 days away...

where's the episode titles... I wanna see if I predicted the correct Pete Rock and CL Smooth titles

they only had 2 albums and a ep... should be easy to figure out 13 titles..

give me my daps if I right.. LOL .. in no particular order

  1. return of the Mecca
  2. All Souled Out
  3. Mecca and the Soul Brother - Misty's bionic arm debut and them as a team
  4. for pete's sake
  5. act like you know - bushmaster debut or the scene he flips luke
  6. cant front on me
  7. straighten it out
  8. I get physical - training with iron fist
  9. sun wont come out - they burn up harlem
  10. Escape
  11. It's on you

edit: my episode theories in red (5/7/18)


edit: found it

14 1 "Soul Brother #1"
15 2 "Straighten It Out"
16 3 "Wig Out"
17 4 "I Get Physical"
18 5 "All Souled Out"
19 6 "The Basement"
20 7 "On and On"
21 8 "If It Ain't Rough, It Ain't Right"
22 9 "For Pete's Sake"
23 10 "The Main Ingredient"
24 11 "The Creator"
25 12 "Can't Front On Me"
26 13 "They Reminisce Over You"

damn.. 5 out of 13 ...

Return of the mecca is a better ep 1 title to me
 
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Something really bothers me about Luke Cage. In the first season the people who were against gentrification were the villains, while Cage was protecting "everyone" from them. Here, Alfre Woodard is playing a woman who uses the same talking points as people who are interested in empowering black residents to revitalize and restore Harlem to it's former glory before gentrification. But apparently she's going to be this season's main antagonist. It just doesn't sit right with me the way this show draws upon real issues and perspectives voiced by Harlem residents and turn them into caricature villain motivations. And it's all legitimate and non-controversial because the hero fighting them is black. Anyone else bothered by this?
 

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shyt works best when there's someone who can go toe to toe with Luke, preferably without a suit. Mariah preying on the voice of the streets and using it for her own gains, untouchable. So we get a dose of Cottonmouth with an upgraded & more tactical Copperhead.

I'm liking the vibe.
 

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Something really bothers me about Luke Cage. In the first season the people who were against gentrification were the villains, while Cage was protecting "everyone" from them. Here, Alfre Woodard is playing a woman who uses the same talking points as people who are interested in empowering black residents to revitalize and restore Harlem to it's former glory before gentrification. But apparently she's going to be this season's main antagonist. It just doesn't sit right with me the way this show draws upon real issues and perspectives voiced by Harlem residents and turn them into caricature villain motivations. And it's all legitimate and non-controversial because the hero fighting them is black. Anyone else bothered by this?

You right.

Meanwhile Harley and her gang of harley's are fighting the same gentrification battle in brooklyn and are heroes :wow:
 

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Something really bothers me about Luke Cage. In the first season the people who were against gentrification were the villains, while Cage was protecting "everyone" from them. Here, Alfre Woodard is playing a woman who uses the same talking points as people who are interested in empowering black residents to revitalize and restore Harlem to it's former glory before gentrification. But apparently she's going to be this season's main antagonist. It just doesn't sit right with me the way this show draws upon real issues and perspectives voiced by Harlem residents and turn them into caricature villain motivations. And it's all legitimate and non-controversial because the hero fighting them is black. Anyone else bothered by this?
You may be onto something :jbhmm:
 

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Spoiler-Free 'Luke Cage' Season 2 Review

Luke Cage arrives for Season Two fully intent on living up to the demands of a sophomore season. The story gets deeper and darker, while the characters get even more complex. In this more mature approach to a black superhero story, the fantastical Marvel Cinematic Universe tropes often take backseat to a much deeper drama, which takes unflinching look at some serious cultural and social issues.

NOTE: This will be a spoiler-free review of Luke Cage Season Two.

Picking up after the events of The Defenders and Luke Cage Season One, we find Carl Lucas / Luke Cage (Mike Colter) a free man, now openly patrolling Harlem as its vigilante protector. In his personal time, Luke is also in a full-on relationship with Claire Temple (Rosario Dawson), and for a moment, all seems bright with the future.

But in the shadows of Harlem, the past is rearing its ugly head. Mariah Dillard (Alfre Woodard) and Shades Alvarez (Theo Rossi) have carved a nice empire for themselves despite Luke's interference. However, the arrival of John Mclver (Mustafa Shakir), a cunning and powerful Jamaican gangster known as "Bushmaster," spells trouble for the duo. John has his own vendetta against Mariah -- as well as her entire Stokes bloodline -- and that power struggle quickly erupts into all-out war in Harlem's streets, one that even an unbreakable hero may not be enough to stop on his own.

What Works

Luke Cage Season O was a mixed bag for a lot of fans. There was overwhelming criticism of the way the story went through such an abrupt tonal shift with the reveal of Diamondback, and those same fans will be relieved to hear that Luke Cage Season Two is a much more cohesive work, in terms of storyline and tone.

The cast and their performances are the biggest sell, as Mike Colter gets much more dramatic weight to carry, and turns in a performance that adds needed dimension to Luke's character. As good as Colter is, Season Two is propelled by its two villains: Alfre Woodard's Mariah, and series newcomer Mustafa Shakir as Bushmaster. Both villains get big arcs requiring a lot of screen time, and Woodard and Shakir push for the title of most charismatic and compelling. However, this season of Luke Cage is undoubtedly Woodard's showcase, with a performance that could easily stand against some of the most acclaimed the mob genre has to offer. Meanwhile, Bushmaster is a refreshing combination (read: balance) of the best elements in both Cottonmouth and Diamondback, which is a massive course correction for the show. Shakir is interesting, likable, frightening, and broodingly handsome -- a perfect foil for Colter's Cage.


What really works for Luke Cage Season Two, however, is how showrunner Cheo Hodari Coker and his team show no fear in really going deep into the territory of larger racial and social themes surrounding these characters. Jessica Jones Season Two got a lot of acclaim for its deep and unflinching look at the social realities of being female, famous, an addict, etc; Luke Cage Season Two similarly gets into what it is to be black -- not just in the current socio-political climate, though there is that, but in terms of a shared history of trauma, violence, and disrupted bloodlines, and what scars all of that leaves on the present. The juxtaposition of Jamaican and African-American point of view is especially interesting, and makes the Mariah/Bushmaster war a truly compelling gangster tale.

As for the obligatory Marvel Cinematic Universe developments and crossover cameos: this season is smart to keep a lot of the familiar comic book-inspired Easter eggs and developments understated, unless yielding big payoff. The season arc ticks every box it needs to in order to appease fans with familiar reveals and status quo changes, while dropping in some key cameo appearances that will definitely excite fans for the future.

Season Two is overall paced pretty well, given how circular and myopic its gang war storyline really is. When there's not a talented cast delivering great drama, there's a new (and much-improved) action sequence -- including a few that will leave Marvel fans downright giddy -- along with a few interesting detours from the main storyline. In between, Coker has infused even more slick hip-hop culture and style into the show, with even more high-profile stars making appearances for musical sequences. The music design by Adrian Younge and Ali Shaheed Muhammad is as much a character as Luke himself, and in Season Two that character dips back into the past, mixing blues and reggae sounds as roots to the modern hip-hop sonics we know and love. The soundtrack will be a bestseller, for sure.

What Doesn't Work

It's become readily apparent that a lot of these Marvel Netflix series have too much space to fill in 13-episode seasons, and Luke Cage Season Two, despite its improvements, can't avoid this hurdle completely.

Jessica Jones Season Two had a nice spread of key characters whose respective storylines intertwined nicely with the heroine's journey; unfortunately, Luke Cage's storyline doesn't have as much polish. A lot of the secondary characters (especially the female ones) get pinwheel arcs, spinning in circles without ultimately going very far. The worst of these is no doubt Misty Knight (Simone Messick), who gets a promising start, but stalls in her (literally) half-cooked story arc. Thankfully, the showrunners always remember that the primary focus is the trio of Luke, Mariah, and Bushmaster, and use that core as the primary throughline. Certain obligations to the comics make for some clunky character developments at season's end; however, scene for scene, the cast plays off one another well. The one exception is Rossi's Shades, whose presence in Season Two seems the most consistently awkward and hard to buy, in terms of his interactions with the other characters. There are also an overabundance of new faces and names, that can definitely confuse and distract early on, when viewers are trying to get re-acquainted with these characters and their world.

Luke Cage Season Two deserves a lot of acclaim, and will keep most fans happy from start to finish. Season Two will premiere in full on Netflix starting on June 22nd.
 

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Luke Cage was praised by critics back in 2016 but pretty much everyone agreed that things started going downhill in the second half of the season. Diamondback was a terrible villain and the death of Cottonmouth really hurt the show, something star Mike Colter has acknowledged in the years since.

So, with The Defenders, Iron Fist, and Jessica Jones season two all disappointing fans, has Luke Cage managed to set things right for Marvel TV? Well, the first wave of reviews are here and for the most part, it definitely sounds like an improvement on what's come before. However, some critics hated it!

Still, I would definitely say these are more positive than mixed and we've rounded up reviews from a number of sources, including entertainment websites, the trades, and magazines. To check them out, all you guys have to do is click on the "View List" button before sharing your thoughts down below.


But more important than that, it’s a season where the women around him are discovering themselves. Mariah takes on aprotégé, because she’s focused on leaving a legacy. Her family members have all been obliterated and she’s all Mariah has left. Claire (Rosario Dawson), Luke’s girlfriend, wants to be his aide but also wants them to live a life that’s not full of danger. Misty wants to reclaim her position in the police department and is finding a different way to control her destiny. Through the help of Colleen Wing (Jessica Henwick, from Iron Fist and The Defenders), she’s training to be able to utilize her body without her arm. Each of the characters have lost something vital since we last saw them; this season is about reclaiming it and learning who they are.

SOURCE: The Daily Beast

Overall, Luke Cage season two is a solid watch that suffers from the same problems as all the Marvel Netflix shows do. It’s too slow at times to fill out its episode count and doesn’t always utilize the super part of its superhero character to its fullest capabilities. That said, the show keeps true to what made it the most fun of the Defenders series in season one. If you were a fan, you will continue to be. If you weren’t, you probably won’t be swayed to join the pack in season two.

SOURCE: Forbes
While the character work feels more nuanced and the narrative more engaging, the biggest achievement of Luke Cage season 2 is in how Coker seems to have cracked the code as far as streaming drift is concerned. Rather than break Luke Cage season 2 into two halves, split by the usual road trip of self-discovery or severe injury that makes the hero question his or her life choices for an episode or two, the season’s narrative structure follows a much more conventional arc, with each hour gradually building to a far more satisfying climax at the end of the season. The season itself is still too long by about two or three episodes, and some of the episodes could stand to lose 10 or 15 minutes, but overall the series’ second outing turns a superhero show into a thrilling, well-paced crime drama that’s one of the most fulfilling of Marvel’s Netflix series.

SOURCE: Screen Rant


There are plenty of things this season does well, really well, but there is so much filler and narrative dragging of feet in between that it’s hard to recommend it outright. Here’s the bottom line — if you’re still watching all of these Marvel / Netflix series and you’re a dyed-in-the-wool fan, then Luke Cage Season 2 will give you more of what you’re used to. If you didn’t like Luke Cage Season 1, I don’t think you’ll really care for Season 2, but overall it is a stronger story. So if you were ok with Season 1 but are hoping that Season 2 improves, you should feel pretty satisfied by it. Maybe that’s all we can ask for (that and a Misty Knight-focused detective series, of course).

SOURCE: Collider

Still the most overtly political than anything Marvel does, Luke Cage looks to make its audience confront some uncomfortable truths. It’s the kind of risk that (the occasional exception aside, notably 2017’s brilliant Logan) you’re unlikely to see in your average superhero blockbuster movie. It has, pound for pound, perhaps the strongest supporting cast of any of these Marvel Netflix shows. The warm lighting consistently makes the show feel somewhat out of time, like a movie from the 1970s, a vibe that is compounded sonically by what is still the best, most adventurous original score on TV and a perfectly chosen assortment of songs. Luke Cage Season 2 not only feels like a big step forward from its own first season, it’s a reminder that there’s still a lot of life and potential left in the Marvel Netflix format.

SOURCE: Den Of Geek

In the war for Harlem, you won’t see the final shot coming. Luke Cage won’t see it coming either, and it’ll force him to make decisions he didn’t think he’d ever ponder. Those decisions draw new lines in the sand, creating unexpected alliances and rivalries for a Season 3 that already has its work cut out for it if it’s going to top this one.

SOURCE: Washington Post


If you liked Luke Cage season 1, you’re going to enjoy this new season. I had numerous issues with season 2 (see above!), but by the time the season ends, Luke Cage the show and Luke Cage the character are in a fascinating, interesting place. Just when I was ready to write-off future seasons of the show, the writers found a way to draw me back in. The Luke Cage we see at the end of season 2 is not the Luke Cage we meet at the beginning, and such a turn is going to leave you wanting more. If and when you do decide to partake in Luke Cage season 2, space it out. Don’t binge. The show’s plotting does not lend itself to binging, and the longer you take to burn through the season, the more rewarded you’ll be.

SOURCE: Slash Film

This season is by far one of the most well-written and fully developed plot lines we’ve seen yet from a sophomore Marvel TV series. Sadly both sophomore seasons of Daredevil and Jessica Jones have beenlackluster and didn’t quite capture the same intrigue and enthusiasm as their pilot seasons did. I should also mention that as much as I loathed Iron Fist, the 2-episode cameo we get with Danny Rand (Finn Jones) in this series are some of the strongest episodes. The Power Man and Iron Fist duo dynamic is strong and palpable — whether you are anti-Danny Rand or not, there is no denying that these two share great chemistry on screen and have (dare I say) charisma. I still say just keep him away from Misty Knight.

SOURCE: Black Girl Nerds

Marvel's Luke Cage Season 2 never quite finds its footing over the course of its 13 episode run. The series is still struggling to regain momentum after Cottonmounth's exit midway through Season 1. While Mike Colter and Alfre Woodard deliver solid performances, there simply isn't a compelling story worth exploring.

SOURCE: IGN

Most of Marvel’s superhero series suffer a mid-season sag, without enough plot to fill their episode quota. This season never succumbs to that because it’s not rooted in plot but character. There are episodes where little happens in terms ofevent, but characters deepen and crack, becoming less who they want to be and more who they have to be, even Luke. Luke Cage could now remove any superhero elements almost entirely and still function as a series. It’s become Game Of Thrones-esque in its battle for Harlem, and like that show, whoever claims the prize will do so with bloodied hands.

SOURCE: Empire Online

What really works for Luke Cage Season Two, however, is how showrunner Cheo Hodari Coker and his team show no fear in really going deep into the territory of larger racial and social themes surrounding these characters. Jessica Jones Season Two got a lot of acclaim for its deep and unflinching look at the social realities of being female, famous, an addict, etc; Luke Cage Season Two similarly gets into what it is to be black -- not just in the current socio-political climate, though there is that,but in terms of a shared history of trauma, violence, and disrupted bloodlines, and what scars all of that leaves on the present. The juxtaposition of Jamaican and African-American point of view is especially interesting, and makes the Mariah/Bushmaster war a truly compelling gangster tale.

SOURCE: ComicBook.com

Well, having watched the first half of the new season, it’s… hard to say. So much of what made Luke Cage great last time – incredible soundtrack, musical guests, quick-witted political commentary, action scenes where Luke (Mike Colter) lazily slaps people into unconsciousness – are back, but so are many of the same issues that stopped it being a perfect 10. As usual the whole thing is just too damned long, devoting a lot of time in the first half of the series to a pretty tedious organised crime deal (that ends up being a footnote to the main storyline anyway) and uninteresting relationship drama between crime queen Mariah Dillard (Alfre Woodard), her daughter, and toyboy/crime partner Shades (Theo Rossi).

SOURCE: Radio Times

When I look back at season 2 of “Luke Cage” as a whole I see a half-dozen really interesting stories that all could have worked on their own. But the problem is that it needs to function as one big story, not six individual ones. And since those individual arcs never really congeal into something coherent, the whole of it simply does not work.

SOURCE: The Wrap

Luke Cage Season 2 goes above and beyond what the compelling but ultimately average Season 1 delivered nearly two years ago. Luke Cage is as much about its hero as it is about Harlem, about the villains who built the city on blood and the victims it belonged to, and the good people who only want a hero to look up to. But there are still chinks to the armor which threaten whether or not this franchise can continue to thrive. In Season 2, Luke is told something repeatedly but refuses to listen: He may be bulletproof, but Harlem isn’t.

SOURCE: Inverse

On the surface, Luke Cage season 2 might look like a retread of the character-driven, family crime drama that propelled the show tosuccess in the first place. But don’t be fooled. This sophomore effort throws our titular hero deeper into the seedy underbelly of Harlem, and if the finale is any indication, he may not emerge unchanged. Rest assured, if a third season sees the light of day, it’ll be an entirely new chapter for Luke.
 
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