ALL TIME....THE HEART BREAK KID SHAWN MICHAELS...or the MACHO MAN RANDY SAVAGE...REAL simple

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  • SHAWN MICHAELS

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thats because the wwf nearly ruined luger's career.

.......and even then, he was still bigger than shawn michaels.:laugh:

john cena really isnt big like that, like homie said earlier. luger carries a much bigger name.
This is just total bullshyt...wwf pushed him like crazy and MY generation...90s marks...said fukk this guy gimme bret hogan razor disel and wheres warrior? Nobody gave a shyt about luger

And cena is WAY bigger than fukkin luger ever was
 

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goldberg/hogan wasnt quite up there with warrior/hogan, but it wasnt far from it. but i dont understand the knock on the goldberg/hogan match. yall are applying wwf logic to wcw. and if its one thing that we can all take from this thread, its the fact that wcw and the wwf were too completely different companies with two different types of fans, especially when it comes to the die-hard fans of those promotions.

the fact that it was moreso impromptu and handled in 4 days is a good thing. thats much more fun & exciting than it being long, drawn-out & predictable to the point where we already know how its gonna end months beforehand.(thats why wrestlemania is usually anti-climatic to me).it also symbolizes goldberg's rise & run to a T.

i dont see the problem. most of the people talking about how much money wcw missed out on, dont buy ppvs anyway.:laugh: most of yall should be happy that they gave yall a free look. also, this is why wcw ppvs were generally better than the wwf's. the wwf put all their eggs in one basket, which reduced most of their ppvs to being throw-a-ways. as opposed to wcw who dropped great ppvs & great tv shows all year around. one of the many reasons why they were bussin the wwf's ass.

and its like yall said, warrior/hogan was a bigger spectacle. and real spit, it wouldve remained that way regardless of whether or not they dragged the match to a ppv. with warrior/hogan, you had the 2 biggest faces of a generation colliding in their primes(hogan's prime being debateable but still). THIS WAS UNHEARD OF. and best of all, it wasnt clear-cut as to who would win. there was so much riding on this. you really cant compare goldberg/hogan to this at all. and thats not a knock on goldberg/hogan. its just that warrior/hogan was a once-in-a-lifetime experience. we may NEVER see anything like that again.

on top of that, people(mostly wwf fans) seriously expected them to drag it out to starcade, which was like 5-6 months away? wcw didnt do corny stuff like that. nor would they be able to hog the belt in that manner with it being way too much going on at the time with them having the goat roster.

you wanna know what's crazy about luger? he was still over in wcw during that 98-99 period when wrestlers like him were basically being phased out already.

in an era of shock wrestling, cool bad guys, new school slang, and provocative behavior... plain old dusty old luger was still getting pretty decent pops.

plus people really dug the torture rack. :ehh:


yep.

its criminal how he gets glossed over in this debates. hes clearly bigger than half the names mentioned.


He def had a goat finisher but he was over as an og wcw face vs nWo...THE NWO had him over...he was irrelevant unless he was goin against nwo...can you even name a single fued or MATCH he had outside of an nwo match following his wcw return?

:dahell:

lex luger's return to wcw predates the formation of the nwo by about 9 months, and it was a huge deal.

to say that he was over in the nitro era because of the nwo is ludicrous.


This is just total bullshyt...wwf pushed him like crazy and MY generation...90s marks...said fukk this guy gimme bret hogan razor disel and wheres warrior? Nobody gave a shyt about luger

And cena is WAY bigger than fukkin luger ever was


wrestling exists outside of '90s wwf fans. you dont REALLY know lex luger's wave.:comeon:

its common knowledge that the wwf nearly killed luger's career with all the lex express & hogan-lite bullchit. sure he was pushed, but he wasnt pushed properly. and the wwf is at fault for that.......and thru it all, he still was bigger than shawn michaels over there.:laugh:

also, your description of his 2nd wcw run is way off, and youre completely ignoring his '80s/early '90s nwa/wcw run which is what made his name to begin with.

i can walk into a room full of people and say the names "lex luger" and "john cena".and chances are, the vast majority of them will be familiar with luger's name, while most likely not even knowing what a john cena is.
 
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vs Marty Jannetty in 1993 (PWI match of the year that year, ranked #3 on this list of the best matches ever on Monday Night Raw)
vs Jeff Jarrett of all people at a random In Your House PPV in 1995 for the IC title
Rockers vs Orient Express at the Royal Rumble 1991

So taking the 5 you mentioned, plus the 3 I just listed, all of which took place between Jan 1991 and Dec 1997.... That's a 1.143 classic match per year average :wow:



What are all the Savage classics? And don't be listing no matches that are just GOOD, cause I've left a ton of debatable HBK ones out (vs Bulldog multiple times, vs Bret in 92, vs Nash at IYH after WM12, vs Mr. Perfect at KOTR, etc)


Breh, here is the difference, I actually watched those matches when they came on. I'm not saying Janetty (a guy I know personally, long story) vs. Michael wasn't a good match but I wouldn't call it classic, nor any of his matches with Jarrett. I gave you the 5 matches I've personally watched that I feel are classic, I WILL say HBK had a very high consistency rate tho. What matches eh had that were classics may be debatable, but he rarely had under 3 star matches ever.
 
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goldberg/hogan wasnt quite up there with warrior/hogan, but it wasnt far from it. but i dont understand the knock on the goldberg/hogan match. yall are applying wwf logic to wcw. and if its one thing that we can all take from this thread, its the fact that wcw and the wwf were too completely different companies with two different types of fans, especially when it comes to the die-hard fans of those promotions.

the fact that it was moreso impromptu and handled in 4 days is a good thing. thats much more fun & exciting than it being long, drawn-out & predictable to the point where we already know how its gonna end months beforehand.(thats why wrestlemania is usually anti-climatic to me).it also symbolizes goldberg's rise & run to a T.

i dont see the problem. most of the people talking about how much money wcw missed out on, dont buy ppvs anyway.:laugh: most of yall should be happy that they gave yall a free look. also, this is why wcw ppvs were generally better than the wwf's. the wwf put all their eggs in one basket, which reduced most of their ppvs to being throw-a-ways. as opposed to wcw who dropped great ppvs & great tv shows all year around. one of the many reasons why they were bussin the wwf's ass.

and its like yall said, warrior/hogan was a bigger spectacle. and real spit, it wouldve remained that way regardless of whether or not they dragged the match to a ppv. with warrior/hogan, you had the 2 biggest faces of a generation colliding in their primes(hogan's prime being debateable but still). THIS WAS UNHEARD OF. and best of all, it wasnt clear-cut as to who would win. there was so much riding on this. you really cant compare goldberg/hogan to this at all. and thats not a knock on goldberg/hogan. its just that warrior/hogan was a once-in-a-lifetime experience. we may NEVER see anything like that again.

on top of that, people(mostly wwf fans) seriously expected them to drag it out to starcade, which was like 5-6 months away? wcw didnt do corny stuff like that. nor would they be able to hog the belt in that manner with it being way too much going on at the time with them having the goat roster.




yep.

its criminal how he gets glossed over in this debates. hes clearly bigger than half the names mentioned.




:dahell:

lex luger's return to wcw predates the formation of the nwo by about 9 months, and it was a huge deal.

to say that he was over in the nitro era because of the nwo is ludicrous.





wrestling exists outside of '90s wwf fans. you dont REALLY know lex luger's wave.:comeon:

its common knowledge that the wwf nearly killed luger's career with all the lex express & hogan-lite bullchit. sure he was pushed, but he wasnt pushed properly. and the wwf is at fault for that.......and thru it all, he still was bigger than shawn michaels over there.:laugh:

also, your description of his 2nd wcw run is way off, and youre completely ignoring his '80s/early '90s nwa/wcw run which is what made his name to begin with.

i can walk into a room full of people and say the names "lex luger" and "john cena".and chances are, the vast majority of them will be familiar with luger's name, while most likely not even knowing what a john cena is.
We shyt on cena but hes way fukkin bigger than luger and please...tell me more about luger during the crockett and nwa days when he was second fiddle to sting and ta and everyone else and he was the worst horseman ever or when he failed as a heel and sid and vader were 100x better and he had to lean on a pathetic racist storyline vs simmons

Dont wax poetic about luger to me...hogan and nash had him more over than he EVER was before.

He is definitely multiple tiers below hbk or savage...or bret or warrior...
 
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i know what homeboy is tryna say though. like luger didn't reach the heights that a lot of people did but for some reason his name is just synonymous with that whole era. everyone knows who lex luger is. his name still rings bells. wrestling was just so big back then that anyone who even remotely made a name for themselves seems to have been etched in stone.

in fact if you were the poll the masses, let's say adults age 23 and over, fans an former fans alike... believe it or not, i would honestly not be surprised if more people knew the name lex luger than john cena.

again i don't know for sure, just sayin i would not be surprised. not everyone watches wrestling like they did back in the day and john cena for whatever reason - despite being the biggest star they have - just hasn't transcended into mainstream consciousness like that.
 
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i know what homeboy is tryna say though. like luger didn't reach the heights that a lot of people did but for some reason his name is just synonymous with that whole era. everyone knows who lex luger is. his name still rings bells. wrestling was just so big back then that anyone who even remotely made a name for themselves seems to have been etched in stone.

in fact if you were the poll the masses, let's say adults age 23 and over, fans an former fans alike... believe it or not, i would honestly not be surprised if more people knew the name lex luger than john cena.

again i don't know for sure, just sayin i would not be surprised. not everyone watches wrestling like they did back in the day and john cena for whatever reason - despite being the biggest star they have - just hasn't transcended into mainstream consciousness like that.
Its just because they were on national tv and had south love. Flair dusty luger sting and sid all were well known
 

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post #319. dont be a dikkhead.
and i gave you the benefit of the doubt and figured you just screwed up. that was until you pulled that other stunt. and now, you denying it is all the confirmation i need.

i dont mark for anybody. im a grown ass man. just because you take someone's side in a debate, it doesnt mean that youre a mark or a stan or whatever e-term you want to throw out there. and it certainly doesnt mean that i have a grudge against a wrestler who is often compared to them. you dont know my stance on goldberg. and you didnt even ask. instead you kept forcing him on me, and arguing me down about the guy when i never even mentioned him.

log off & learn how to communicate with real-life people.

that was some irrelevant tech error u fukking short bus rider. ive quoted everyone pretty much always and if i pulled a stunt like that itd be to not even quote any of your reply at all. like i give a fukk about u giving me the benefit of the doubt. youre a fukking idiot, duller than what i use to spread my butter. and then you fukkin go ahead and essentially start to expound on the point i was making about goldberg...but then bring LUGER into this. WOW. How low on the totem pole do u want to go? jesus christ. log off and learn ANYTHING. you gotta defrag your brain hard drive and get some updated coding. youre ms-dos stenography computer algorithm shyt is wild outdated and obsolete.
 

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This is just total bullshyt...wwf pushed him like crazy and MY generation...90s marks...said fukk this guy gimme bret hogan razor disel and wheres warrior? Nobody gave a shyt about luger

And cena is WAY bigger than fukkin luger ever was

i cant even fathom the luger talk seriously
 

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since we're throwing names out there.

heres a name that doesnt come up nearly as often as it should:

lex luger was bigger than shawn michaels, bret hart & john cena




yea. since i was forced into the goldberg thing, i guess i have to comment.

this post sums it up perfectly.

goldberg's run is just too incomplete to really put it up against the warrior's. he makes the warrior look like the funk brothers.


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I hope the people trying to shyt on HBK are from Canada :skip: Nobody else has an excuse to hate on the GOAT:blessed:
 

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We shyt on cena but hes way fukkin bigger than luger and please...tell me more about luger during the crockett and nwa days when he was second fiddle to sting and ta and everyone else and he was the worst horseman ever or when he failed as a heel and sid and vader were 100x better and he had to lean on a pathetic racist storyline vs simmons

Dont wax poetic about luger to me...hogan and nash had him more over than he EVER was before.

He is definitely multiple tiers below hbk or savage...or bret or warrior...


it doesnt matter who you think he was 2nd fiddle to. all eras & leagues arent created equal. and luger wasnt far removed from being a rookie when magnum ta was poppin.

when did luger fail as a heel?:rudy:

you mean the same racist storyline that vince completely rehashed 12 years later? all that was missing from the wwe's re-enactment was mr hughes.:laugh: i assume that mark henry was injured during that time.

bret was more popular than luger, the rumble proved that. vince made plans to put the belt on bret that night


i never said luger was more popular than bret in the wwf. im talking overall breh.

btw, how about luger being more popular than bret in wcw?

i know what homeboy is tryna say though. like luger didn't reach the heights that a lot of people did but for some reason his name is just synonymous with that whole era. everyone knows who lex luger is. his name still rings bells. wrestling was just so big back then that anyone who even remotely made a name for themselves seems to have been etched in stone.

in fact if you were the poll the masses, let's say adults age 23 and over, fans an former fans alike... believe it or not, i would honestly not be surprised if more people knew the name lex luger than john cena.

again i don't know for sure, just sayin i would not be surprised. not everyone watches wrestling like they did back in the day and john cena for whatever reason - despite being the biggest star they have - just hasn't transcended into mainstream consciousness like that.


yea. not even that tho.

theres tons of people i know that hate wrestling and never watched, but they know lex luger.


Its just because they were on national tv and had south love. Flair dusty luger sting and sid all were well known


what type of chitty-chit is this? this is the worst attempt at downplaying something that ive seen in a while.

south love? im talking about the whole map.

national tv? wwf had way more national tv exposure. 95% of wcw/nwa's programming was thru turner. and the wwf was alot more mainstream.


that was some irrelevant tech error u fukking short bus rider. ive quoted everyone pretty much always and if i pulled a stunt like that itd be to not even quote any of your reply at all. like i give a fukk about u giving me the benefit of the doubt. youre a fukking idiot, duller than what i use to spread my butter. and then you fukkin go ahead and essentially start to expound on the point i was making about goldberg...but then bring LUGER into this. WOW. How low on the totem pole do u want to go? jesus christ. log off and learn ANYTHING. you gotta defrag your brain hard drive and get some updated coding. youre ms-dos stenography computer algorithm shyt is wild outdated and obsolete.


watch your mouth nerd.

and yea, i brought up luger, since people were throwing big names in the hat. the difference is, i didnt bring luger's name out of nowhere and argue you down about some chit that you never even commented on.

thats what you did with goldberg. DIKKHEAD.


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didnt they chase yout outta this thread already?

you already exhibited how much of a fountain of misinformation that you are, so youre not in the position to even attempt to call anyone's name out. creep.
 

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didnt they chase yout outta this thread already?

you already exhibited how much of a fountain of misinformation that you are, so youre not in the position to even attempt to call anyone's name out. creep.

Don't know what you are talking about. But why don't you attempt to defend your statement instead of attacking
 
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