All Elite Wrestling/ALL IN 2 - paperwork been filed, in a positive sense. :ohhh:

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

If they dont call All In 2 "The Grandchild of Them All", I don't know what any of this is for...

 

[trick]

The main investor/owner of this is the son of the Jacksonville Jaguars and Fulham FC in the EPL, he has done business in analytics and has subscribed to the wrestling observer for over 20 years


Actual mark with business sense and both self made money plus family money brehs


What we thinking brehs?

All I know is if he’s smart and he’s got he bread, he can’t be listening to these wrestlers, promoters and “producers” because they’ll just lead his company back to producing the same dreck that’s been done for the last 20 years. Or the wrestlers will book themselves to be at the top for years

It’s a legitimate chance to revitalize the industry and to present in a totally new way and if all in is an indicator of how theyll produce a show, then I’m not confident that they’ll last long

 

[Rayzah]

But you have to have a starting point somewhere and ALL IN provided proof they have a GREAT starting point.
Millions of cats follow the Being the Elite show and many over the world have seen them in various feds. So they out there already and clearly already have an audience.

Now they just have to parlay that with moves like the one they making.

They not gonna be current WWE in one day no.... but over time who knows.

I will admit WWE being how it is today been like this so long that people forget how the WWE used to be but there was a time when they too were small. Its taken them 40+ years to become the juggarnaut they are.

Its like we never respect that and give anything new that same patience. The narrative normally is "be WWE level today or youre a failed brand" and thats not right

Martha

im saying, you have to start somewhere, lets see how their next event does before we try to make predictions on how they will do.. There is literarly not enough evidnece to support any real speculation of their chances of being competition. I figured all the "tired of wwe" people would love the news of another possible start up.






but if I have to be honest. I just want ROH NJPW and all these other indies to merge and get on a real network to give vince some go, I dont want to wait ten+ years just to see some real comp.

WWE only worked because Vince bought out the competition, unless these companies merge or someone buys them out they have no real chance at substaining a real fanbase

 

[Bryan Danielson]

im saying, you have to start somewhere, lets see how their next event does before we try to make predictions on how they will do.. There is literarly not enough evidnece to support any real speculation of their chances of being competition. I figured all the "tired of wwe" people would love the news of another possible start up.






but if I have to be honest. I just want ROH NJPW and all these other indies to merge and get on a real network to give vince some go, I dont want to wait ten+ years just to see some real comp.

WWE only worked because Vince bought out the competition, unless these companies merge or someone buys them out they have no real chance at substaining a real fanbase

At this point.... as crazy as this sounds.

I dont really want or care for another BIG company to come up and rival the E.

Why and for what?

I fear in this ultra PC era we live in there will be too much pressure to conform

NXT only works cuz they cater to indie fans and aint trynna sell toys or etc to kids.

If they was more mainstream it would become WWE Heat/Shotgun status

I like how feds are working together (ROH/NJPW/AAA/IMPACT/etc) and I like how wrestlers are to a degree being treated as what they are independent contractors vs 100% overall slaves to one company

The myth of "just cuz you're in the E more eyes and more people know you and you make more money than anywhere else" is dying if not dead.

More eyes have been on Pentagon, The Elite guys, Cage, and etc other non WWE guys than everyone of the 205 roster guys, and the lower to midcard E guys.

Martha

Martha

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Sinclair Broadcasting is a multi-billion dollar company and has owned ROH for 7+ years. They've had the chance to pump a lot of money into ROH and haven't done so.

I know. They've done nothing with them since buying. Damn shame

can you blame them?? they don't want to lose money.

why put a bunch of money into a wrestling promotion, only for it to be ignored & no-sold by the majority of so-called wrestling fans, simply because they grew up on the WWE?

and most of these dudes pump-faking like theyre in anticipation. they really just want another promotion to breakthrough in some form because they think its gonna make the WWE's product better. just look at these buzz-words that people use like "alternative". how about a promotion that's better(we already have those) or bigger?? I even saw someone refer to WCW as an alternative on this board yesterday. as if the WCW wasn't #1 at one point.

 

[THE 101]

can you blame them?? they don't want to lose money.

why put a bunch of money into a wrestling promotion, only for it to be ignored & no-sold by the majority of so-called wrestling fans, simply because they grew up on the WWE?

and most of these dudes pump-faking like theyre in anticipation. they really just want another promotion to breakthrough in some form because they think its gonna make the WWE's product better. just look at these buzz-words that people use like "alternative". how about a promotion that's better(we already have those) or bigger?? I even saw someone refer to WCW as an alternative on this board yesterday. as if the WCW wasn't #1 at one point.

Well if they have any intentions of growing ROH, then Sinclair have to accept that they will lose money before they see any benefits.

Meltzer tells the story of sometime after 2001, Ted Turner got Jim Barnett to look into the cost of creating a new wrestling promotion that could compete with WWE, and the cost at the time was $50m.

Look if they are happy with ROH to continue as a middle of the road indie outfit, then fine. But the money is there, and it's a shame that they haven't showed more ambition. Them going hard for MSG is the only real power move they made since buying them.

WCW was seen at an alternative because for the majority of its existence is was the cheap #2 promotion lagging behind WWE .The reality is for most WWE is wrestling. Ever since he mid 80s. The issue to me isn't about competing with WWE....that ain't ever happening again. They're the Disney of this shyt, but that doesn't mean another promotion can't make waves and have more of an impact (no pun) than ROH and TNA.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Well if they have any intentions of growing ROH, then Sinclair have to accept that they will lose money before they see any benefits.

Meltzer tells the story of sometime after 2001, Ted Turner got Jim Barnett to look into the cost of creating a new wrestling promotion that could compete with WWE, and the cost at the time was $50m.

Look if they are happy with ROH to continue as a middle of the road indie outfit, then fine. But the money is there, and it's a shame that they haven't showed more ambition. Them going hard for MSG is the only real power move they made since buying them.

WCW was seen at an alternative because for the majority of its existence is was the cheap #2 promotion lagging behind WWE .The reality is for most WWE is wrestling. Ever since he mid 80s. The issue to me isn't about competing with WWE....that ain't ever happening again. They're the Disney of this shyt, but that doesn't mean another promotion can't make waves and have more of an impact (no pun) than ROH and TNA.

naw. thats revisionist. WCW was never "alternative wrestling". they were major and had mainstream presence in their own right and lots of casual viewers; to the point where people who didn't even watch wrestling were familiar with some of their mid-carders. and they usually drew better weekly TV ratings than the WWF; long before the Monday night wars.

sure the WWF was the most mainstream thru most of the '90s, but the idea of the WWE being the only known promotion is something that kicked in somewhere around the mid-late 2000s. that wasn't the case in the '90s at all. the general public knew both WWF AND WCW. the #1 alternative promotion was ECW, and that was their selling point since like '94 - being the alternative to the WCW AND the WWF.

or maybe Sinclair doesn't think it will ever see any benefits if they start throwing around money. I wouldn't waste any serious cash on idiotic wrestling marks either. people don't want to be real with the fact that the majority of wrestling fans are borderline retarded, or at best, turn their brains completely off when theyre not at work or school. some people may be offended by that, but these potential investors/companies think even less of the general audience, and so does the WWE, who disrespects their own fans' intelligence on the daily.

as for the bolded, the NWA had a stronger stranglehold on wrestling than what the WWE has now. hell, if CM Punk would've jumped to say TNA and caused a chain reaction, instead of taking his ball & trying to be an MMA fighter, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now.

 

[Cartier Murphy]

All I know is if he’s smart and he’s got he bread, he can’t be listening to these wrestlers, promoters and “producers” because they’ll just lead his company back to producing the same dreck that’s been done for the last 20 years. Or the wrestlers will book themselves to be at the top for years

It’s a legitimate chance to revitalize the industry and to present in a totally new way and if all in is an indicator of how theyll produce a show, then I’m not confident that they’ll last long

This is an underlooked point If this were happen I’d much rather this promotion forged out into something unique, rather than a retread of what came before. Lucha Underground is the best example of what I think of when I think of what a modern wrasslin company should be shooting for. Be completely different in terms of look, feel, presentation, etc rather than presenting the same, albeit reskinned, stuff we’ve already had.

 

[DaHNIC82]

Start jacking Vince's talent. Imagine Anderson, Gallows, Balor, and Owens leaving and appearing in the coming weeks and months surprisingly. That would put Vince under pressure lol

 

[Uncle Phil 36]

They should offer benefits that the WWE doesn't offer.

 

[Superkick Party]

can you blame them?? they don't want to lose money.

why put a bunch of money into a wrestling promotion, only for it to be ignored & no-sold by the majority of so-called wrestling fans, simply because they grew up on the WWE?

and most of these dudes pump-faking like theyre in anticipation. they really just want another promotion to breakthrough in some form because they think its gonna make the WWE's product better. just look at these buzz-words that people use like "alternative". how about a promotion that's better(we already have those) or bigger?? I even saw someone refer to WCW as an alternative on this board yesterday. as if the WCW wasn't #1 at one point.

I remember talking to someone on another forum after All In happened and he kept talking about we've got a true alternative now and WWE has to get better. I straight up told him he's just being a bitter WWE fan and doesn't actually want to support other companies.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I remember talking to someone on another forum after All In happened and he kept talking about we've got a true alternative now and WWE has to get better. I straight up told him he's just being a bitter WWE fan and doesn't actually want to support other companies.

THIS

and then people wonder why nobody wants to invest any major bucks into the wrestling industry.

its a lost cause unless theres a super-rich serious smark out there.

 

[JerseyBoy23]

THIS

and then people wonder why nobody wants to invest any major bucks into the wrestling industry.

its a lost cause unless theres a super-rich serious smark out there.

The Jaguars owner's son is apparently a huge smark who has subscribed to Meltzer since the 80s. So you're right a super-rich smark.

 

[TheGodling]

I remember talking to someone on another forum after All In happened and he kept talking about we've got a true alternative now and WWE has to get better. I straight up told him he's just being a bitter WWE fan and doesn't actually want to support other companies.

For more proof just look at the Broken Hardy's and Final Deletion. Regardless of the bad will TNA generally has, nobody was talking about this success as a way for the promotion to reinvent itself and become a strong competitor to the E again. Instead folks just wanted the Hardy's to come to the E so they could get "high production" Final Deletions.

Most fans only want their favorite wrestlers to be successful so they get on the WWE's radar, not because they want them to uplift whatever promotion they're currently in.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

For more proof just look at the Broken Hardy's and Final Deletion. Regardless of the bad will TNA generally has, nobody was talking about this success as a way for the promotion to reinvent itself and become a strong competitor to the E again. Instead folks just wanted the Hardy's to come to the E so they could get "high production" Final Deletions.

Most fans only want their favorite wrestlers to be successful so they get on the WWE's radar, not because they want them to uplift whatever promotion they're currently in.

didn't the WWE end up ruining the final deletion angle?