Alexandria Ocasio Cortez - "Not All Dems Are The Same"

[storyteller]

1)You defined strawman, so apply it to anything I've done to you. You tried at the end but that is not a strawman, you didn't even address what I stated, which was regarded Paygo ability to make spending increases without offset transparant to the general public without much digging as they would be called out to the naked eye. You and other who don't want that are putting in transparancy on your own terms - that's not in anyway a strawman, there's no misrepresentation , it's a direct argument regarding the specific attributes of PayGO. Perhaps you brush up on your comprehension and connotations.

2) AOC has mentioned that potential cuts to militay; however, we all know it's not realistic an in addtion her platform and Khanna is that debt doesn't matter and that comes straight from the idealogies they follow. those are facts again. You making quotes of her comparing spending on militiary and questioning why we couldn't allot that to health is misrepresentation of what she actually wants... then you follow up with she "intimated" cutting it. Again we both know she is not asking to cut military she just wants to pile debt and spend on her pet projects...period. Those are 100% facts - not intimates, not double talk, not strawmanning ...facts

As I mentioned before AOC has no plans for any cuts that's why she and her cohorts want PayGo CutGo to GOGO , it has nothing to do with your opinion on it because it's not based in fact and goes against the Progressives plans, they want to increase national debt because they feel America can just print more money and they rather invest now and assumingly kick the can down the road. That is 100% fact not what you're stating.

There you go. Just a reminder Strawman: an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

 

[Perfectson]

Why isn't it realistic to cut the military budget?

she's not realistically going to try to cut the military budget is what I'm alluding to. she's using it as a talking point.

It's realistic to do anything but I'm 95% doubtful that any meaningful cuts will happen to the military budget in the next decade.

 

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[Perfectson]

There you go. Just a reminder Strawman: an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

which i already explained where that is not a strawman - we are arguing several tenants of Paygo. If you're buying a car and it has bad engine, transmission, and wheels. And you're aruging about the wheels and then say it also has a bad engine, it's not a strawman just because you've entered another fact into the argument.

 

[Perfectson]

the question is whether the #1 economy needs a radical change. There's 77 pages of many people saying it does...and I think it's naive and shows a lack of understanding of what America is and what we have here. Should always strive for more, but I think America needs tweaks (economically) and not radical changes.

 

[storyteller]

which i already explained where that is not a strawman - we are arguing several tenants of Paygo. If you're buying a car and it has bad engine, transmission, and wheels. And you're aruging about the wheels and then say it also has a bad engine, it's not a strawman just because you've entered another fact into the argument.

You're literally taking what she said and responding with "that's not what she means...what she really means is..." and attacking her from there. That's as literal as a strawman gets regardless of the rationalizations you apply to it.

 

[Perfectson]

You're literally taking what she said and responding with "that's not what she means...what she really means is..." and attacking her from there. That's as literal as a strawman gets regardless of the rationalizations you apply to it.

Where am I doing that? She has not stated anywhere that she wants to cut anything, she doesn't believe in austerity measures and aligned with Khanna on this. How am I creating a strawman when it's her own idealogies I'm discussing.

this is crazy that you can't parroting this and it's her own idealogy!!!

I'm happy to drop this but I'm going to continue to discuss her idealogy until she comes out and states specifically otherwise!

 

[storyteller]

Where am I doing that? She has not stated anywhere that she wants to cut anything, she doesn't believe in austerity measures and aligned with Khanna on this. How am I creating a strawman when it's her own idealogies I'm discussing.

this is crazy that you can't parroting this and it's her own idealogy!!!

I'm happy to drop this but I'm going to continue to discuss her idealogy until she comes out and states specifically otherwise!

2) AOC has mentioned that potential cuts to militay; however, we all know it's not realistic an in addtion her platform and Khanna is that debt doesn't matter and that comes straight from the idealogies they follow. those are facts again. You making quotes of her comparing spending on militiary and questioning why we couldn't allot that to health is misrepresentation of what she actually wants... then you follow up with she "intimated" cutting it. Again we both know she is not asking to cut military she just wants to pile debt and spend on her pet projects...period. Those are 100% facts - not intimates, not double talk, not strawmanning ...facts

 

[AnonymityX1000]

she's not realistically going to try to cut the military budget is what I'm alluding to. she's using it as a talking point.

It's realistic to do anything but I'm 95% doubtful that any meaningful cuts will happen to the military budget in the next decade.

Talking about the military budget and how bloated it is how you eventually get it cut, right? You don't think if a new budget came out where the military budget was cut she wouldn't sign on?
I mean unless Congress as whole sees the military budget differently nothing will change but talking about it and sparking debate is how you change other people's view.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

the question is whether the #1 economy needs a radical change. There's 77 pages of many people saying it does...and I think it's naive and shows a lack of understanding of what America is and what we have here. Should always strive for more, but I think America needs tweaks (economically) and not radical changes.

Well, you have several pages yourself and their are other people who don't like her or her ideas posting in here as well so the number of pages is a bit lower.
And yeah the nation does need radical change. All the assets are at the top. 30 million people don't have healthcare, 60% can't afford a $1000 emergency and income inequality is worse now than it was in the guilded age." (thanks Jimmy!)

 

[el_oh_el]

the question is whether the #1 economy needs a radical change. There's 77 pages of many people saying it does...and I think it's naive and shows a lack of understanding of what America is and what we have here. Should always strive for more, but I think America needs tweaks (economically) and not radical changes.

That #1 economy is bullshyt Wall Street talk. Most folks in the US dont feel that "#1 economy" at all from the statistics that have cropped up.

 

[King Kreole]

As I mentioned before AOC has no plans for any cuts, that's why she and her cohorts want PayGo CutGo to GOGO , it has nothing to do with your opinion on it because it's not based in fact and goes against the Progressives plans, they want to increase national debt because they feel America can just print more money and they rather invest now and assumingly kick the can down the road.

The national deficit doesn't actually mean anything substantial in this context. The US literally can, and does, conjure money when it needs to pay for things. What matters is inflation and unemployment. PAYGO is a really dumbass, dangerous idea based on the conservative myth that the government needs to abide by the same financial framework as private citizens/households.

 

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[Perfectson]

are you serious, she said cutting military HYPOTHETICALLY in response to where would we get funding for health care, she never stated that what she wants or is going to do. I've explained that to you previously and I short handed the one you bolded. She wants to continue spending levels and continue debt spending....are you being stupid or just trying to win the debate by acting in poor form by purposely ignoring parts of the conversation we have for "gotcha" wins?

instead of quoting me, why don't you quote AOC where said her objective is to cut the military.

 

[Perfectson]

The national deficit doesn't actually mean anything substantial in this context. The US literally can, and does, conjure money when it needs to pay for things. What matters is inflation and unemployment. PAYGO is a really dumbass, dangerous idea based on the conservative myth that the government needs to abide by the same financial framework as private citizens/households.

what does deficit spending lead to? LOL@conservative myth. Why don't you google why the US doesn't just print gagillions of dollars right now smh.

That #1 economy is bullshyt Wall Street talk. Most folks in the US dont feel that "#1 economy" at all from the statistics that have cropped up.

compared to what countries? I guarantee you most Americans are living well and is comparable to many of the counterpart countries. I agree that additional changes can and should be done but and overhaul is not required, we need to tweak certain programs

Talking about the military budget and how bloated it is how you eventually get it cut, right? You don't think if a new budget came out where the military budget was cut she wouldn't sign on?
I mean unless Congress as whole sees the military budget differently nothing will change but talking about it and sparking debate is how you change other people's view.

that's not the point, she has not once said that was an objective , period. Her idealogy and several of you have stated is that deficit spending doesn't matter, so why would she cut anything? She believe in spending, she's only discussing cuts because of challenges from those who actually understand economics and she sayings well "why not cut the military then" but as in no way said that is her objective. She's merely stating she prioritizes green and healthcare over additioanl military spending and you guys r taking it and runnign with it.