Alexandria Ocasio Cortez - "Not All Dems Are The Same"

[Gus Money]

The rightwing bootstraps rhetoric being tossed around in here is fukking dumb and it has failed poor people for literally decades.

 

[King Kreole]

My exception is and this is due to our inherent bias, the way you articulate thenProgressives proposal (I wont give AOC credit because I truly believe she is just regurgitating and doesn't know what she's talking about tbh). It's just a another spin on communism except you potentially remove all incentive to help produce. You remove all sense of initiative on the bottom half and you neuter actually upward progression (ironic that it's called progressive).
People are wired different, you give a man a fish everyday and one will take the fish and expect it everyday and when he gets tired he may ask you for some chicken because now he feels entitled. Another man may get the fish then start asking you how you got the fish and then may follow you to the river and learn how to fish himself . You have tonhave a system of incentives that is the bastion of where innovation comes from and why we are the #1 country . Of course if I lived in am arctic country with no resources , I'd be all for socialism because I need that helping hand as there's not much going on .

Did the introduction of minimum wage remove all productive incentive and neuter upward progression? Did the introduction of medicare, medicaid, social security, free k-12 education remove productive incentive and neuter upward progression? Last time I checked, America's greatest period of economic growth came on the back of the introduction of those socialist programs that helped create and stabilize a middle class.

I mean, a logical extension of your argument is that we should abolish social security, medicare and medicaid, free k-12 education, the minium wage, and all those other socialist programs because doing so will spur people's incentives to produce. It's an argument as grotesque as it is wrong. I'm pretty sure the reality is that when people feel secure in the knowledge that society has their back, they have the stable environment needed to make smart, sound, healthy decisions that progress their life and make them more productive citizens. If they're constantly in fear that one false move will condemn them to a life of drudgery because society has capriciously decided to remove the social safety net in favour of giving the already wealthy more perks, they're not going to be productive citizens.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Did the introduction of minimum wage remove all productive incentive and neuter upward progression? Did the introduction of medicare, medicaid, social security, free k-12 education remove productive incentive and neuter upward progression? Last time I checked, America's greatest period of economic growth came on the back of the introduction of those socialist programs that helped create and stabilize a middle class.

I mean, a logical extension of your argument is that we should abolish social security, medicare and medicaid, free k-12 education, the minium wage, and all those other socialist programs because doing so will spur people's incentives to produce. It's an argument as grotesque as it is wrong. I'm pretty sure the reality is that when people feel secure in the knowledge that society has their back, they have the stable environment needed to make smart, sound, healthy decisions that progress their life and make them more productive citizens. If they're constantly in fear that one false move will condemn them to a life of drudgery because society has capriciously decided to remove the social safety net in favour of giving the already wealthy more perks, they're not going to be productive citizens.

Exactly, how many people work jobs they don't particularly like just to secure health insurance? Think if that shyt was free how many more people would be willing to take calculated risks at entrepreneurship/Innovation.

 

[rapbeats]

Exactly, how many people work jobs they don't particularly like just to secure health insurance? Think if that shyt was free how many more people would be willing to take calculated risks at entrepreneurship/Innovation.

and now you're own to something the big boys at the top do not want this to be honest. at least not most of them. thats why that "let the market decide" phrase is not real in reality. because these companies get really big and try to shut down the entire market so they are the only ones making real money in said market. thats how they play the game. so why not make sure their are less people in that head space to begin with. lastly, they want people feeling like they HAVE TO be stuck working at these places or else most people wouldnt take those crap jobs nor keep them for long. those corporations dont like the idea of a safety net either.

 

[Geek Nasty]

Did the introduction of minimum wage remove all productive incentive and neuter upward progression? Did the introduction of medicare, medicaid, social security, free k-12 education remove productive incentive and neuter upward progression? Last time I checked, America's greatest period of economic growth came on the back of the introduction of those socialist programs that helped create and stabilize a middle class.

I mean, a logical extension of your argument is that we should abolish social security, medicare and medicaid, free k-12 education, the minium wage, and all those other socialist programs because doing so will spur people's incentives to produce. It's an argument as grotesque as it is wrong. I'm pretty sure the reality is that when people feel secure in the knowledge that society has their back, they have the stable environment needed to make smart, sound, healthy decisions that progress their life and make them more productive citizens. If they're constantly in fear that one false move will condemn them to a life of drudgery because society has capriciously decided to remove the social safety net in favour of giving the already wealthy more perks, they're not going to be productive citizens.

This should be settled law but people with billions to throw around can keep brainwashing poor people into thinking losing assistance programs is in their best interest. There's a reason all the Libertarian countries turn into a bunch of gated communities surrounded by slums

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This is precisely why snapping off on twitter is a bad idea

 

[AnonymityX1000]

This is precisely why snapping off on twitter is a bad idea

Her Dad wanted to arm Isis so she needs to sit down. lol

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Her Dad wanted to arm Isis so she needs to sit down. lol

I’m not denying that. But McCain wasn’t trying to PWN people on twitter to be shot down in the replies.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I’m not denying that. But McCain wasn’t trying to PWN people on twitter to be shot down in the replies.

So trying to arm ISIS is cool as long as you stay off twitter? OK. lol

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So trying to arm ISIS is cool as long as you stay off twitter? OK. lol

It’s easier to win propaganda wars you don’t fight.

You convince more people you have half assed thoughts on social media than you will by forcing someone to read about your actual nuanced stances in long form by dedicated research.

Twitter cuts both ways.

 

[Perfectson]

Did the introduction of minimum wage remove all productive incentive and neuter upward progression? Did the introduction of medicare, medicaid, social security, free k-12 education remove productive incentive and neuter upward progression? Last time I checked, America's greatest period of economic growth came on the back of the introduction of those socialist programs that helped create and stabilize a middle class.

I mean, a logical extension of your argument is that we should abolish social security, medicare and medicaid, free k-12 education, the minium wage, and all those other socialist programs because doing so will spur people's incentives to produce. It's an argument as grotesque as it is wrong. I'm pretty sure the reality is that when people feel secure in the knowledge that society has their back, they have the stable environment needed to make smart, sound, healthy decisions that progress their life and make them more productive citizens. If they're constantly in fear that one false move will condemn them to a life of drudgery because society has capriciously decided to remove the social safety net in favour of giving the already wealthy more perks, they're not going to be productive citizens.

Some of those I believe do , which is why there's a large disparity between rich and poor and it continues to grow and has grown since 60s when social welfare really started to pick up steam. So short answer is yes, I'm not going to address one by one your answers so take this as a general answer.

We have a moderate capitalistic and socialist society what's dangerous and naive is the thought process that you believe people given free stuff will work just as hard without the positive and negative incentives that has driven man since the dawn of time.

Again everyone is acting like k-12 isn't free and isn't in a downward spiral and is a broken system currently. Don't want to fix that because its free instead you're on to the next free thing. It's a bit funny because I'm saying invest instead in K-12 which is horrendous except for....the tuition based schools! ! Lol
It's education now, why don't we give everyone a million dollars at birth as well.

But I can agree to politely disagree.

 

[Perfectson]

This should be settled law but people with billions to throw around can keep brainwashing poor people into thinking losing assistance programs is in their best interest. There's a reason all the Libertarian countries turn into a bunch of gated communities surrounded by slums

No one is brain washed, you can't compare any country to the US , we are the pinnacle. Free college hasnt worked on a grand scale anywhere and euro countries you will spout have problems with it and the top kids still come to the US today seek education .

 

[Perfectson]

Exactly, how many people work jobs they don't particularly like just to secure health insurance? Think if that shyt was free how many more people would be willing to take calculated risks at entrepreneurship/Innovation.

Of course if you have everything paid for more people would have more resources to spend on other activities . But who is gonna pay for it , what magical pot do you have ? Especially after that person creates something then sells it for a premium that no one can afford or he puts his factories in China so you're funding innovation that has no residual impact on society that the people via the government is funding . You're back now to spiraling in communism . I'd like you to show me what great nation had communism that worked.

This debate is between capitalism and communism, you guys can spin it how you want and try to make it into me brainwashed but youre literally at the gate of communism and the economic pitfalls of both of our ideologies are well known. I'm actually quite impressed that so many people are on the communist train without understanding the full implications but it's because school systems arent teaching stuff like this anymore ...coming put of the 60/70s it was a well known curriculum due to China and Russia and the cold war in the 80s

 

[Perfectson]

So trying to arm ISIS is cool as long as you stay off twitter? OK. lol

What does her dad have to do with her ideas and thoughts though?

 

[AnonymityX1000]

No one is brain washed, you can't compare any country to the US , we are the pinnacle. Free college hasnt worked on a grand scale anywhere and euro countries you will spout have problems with it and the top kids still come to the US today seek education .

What makes the U.S. the pinnacle?

Of course if you have everything paid for more people would have more resources to spend on other activities . But who is gonna pay for it , what magical pot do you have ? Especially after that person creates something then sells it for a premium that no one can afford or he puts his factories in China so you're funding innovation that has no residual impact on society that the people via the government is funding . You're back now to spiraling in communism . I'd like you to show me what great nation had communism that worked.

This debate is between capitalism and communism, you guys can spin it how you want and try to make it into me brainwashed but youre literally at the gate of communism and the economic pitfalls of both of our ideologies are well known. I'm actually quite impressed that so many people are on the communist train without understanding the full implications but it's because school systems arent teaching stuff like this anymore ...coming put of the 60/70s it was a well known curriculum due to China and Russia and the cold war in the 80s

The defense budget, I said this to you previously.