Alexandria Ocasio Cortez - "Not All Dems Are The Same"

[storyteller]

AOC isnt a grifter. she's sincere in her beliefs

what she's proposing is socialism, and it's embarrassing

It's not socialism, it's not embarrassing, I just explained to you why it makes sense. Just because you think things should work a certain way doesn't mean that's how they do in the real world...and no unemployment benefits aren't socialism.

 

[the cac mamba]

It's not socialism, it's not embarrassing, I just explained to you why it makes sense. Just because you think things should work a certain way doesn't mean that's how they do in the real world...and no unemployment benefits aren't socialism.

that article you posted is complete bullshyt you're saying that if unemployment benefits end, then people are just never gonna take a "crappy" job again? how long does that last what exactly are they gonna do, then?

but theres no point in arguing about this, because you're wrong. the adults in the party know biden has an economy to bring back. the shyt is over

 

[AnonymityX1000]

AOC isnt a grifter. she's sincere in her beliefs

what she's proposing is socialism, and it's embarrassing

Unemployment has been around for decades, she didn't invent it. So she's just extending existing socialism. lol

 

[King]

could AOC be pulling off one of the biggest modern day grifts we've seen

next month on jay z's yacht wearing "dismantle the corrupt capitalistic structure" shirt .....she's really fighting for us

With Tiffany blood diamonds all over her body

 

[mastermind]

It's kinda ironic that on the same page people call AOC a grifter who does nothing but performative politics, she also gets attacked for taking action that absolutely would help people...and her bill is called socialism. Like on one hand, you've got people saying she's faking her socialist philosophy and not doing anything; and two posts later she's being called embarrassing and a socialist for taking action.

Whoever you are talking to is not an informed person, but likes to pretend they are.

 

[wire28]

It's kinda ironic that on the same page people call AOC a grifter who does nothing but performative politics, she also gets attacked for taking action that absolutely would help people...and her bill is called socialism. Like on one hand, you've got people saying she's faking her socialist philosophy and not doing anything; and two posts later she's being called embarrassing and a socialist for taking action.

Well in this same forum nikkas were calling her a snake for calling pelosi “mama bear” or whatever.


At the end of the day she’s a politician and will do what’s best for herself and her career. Once you view her movements based off that you can understand why she’s at the met gala and still able to convince her adoring fans it was to “troll” the rich.

 

[the cac mamba]

Unemployment has been around for decades, she didn't invent it. So she's just extending existing socialism. lol

we've never paid it out for a year and a half where it was beating, and now competing with, lower end jobs. which was fine before the vaccine, but theres no excuse now

look, i wish everyone in america was an engineer at google, but that's not how the world works i dont know what the answer is to that

but the economy needs a solid 3-4 months of no more extra unemployment help. talk to me in february and we'll see if the unemployment rate hasnt dropped

 

[storyteller]

that article you posted is complete bullshyt you're saying that if unemployment benefits end, then people are just never gonna take a "crappy" job again? how long does that last what exactly are they gonna do, then?

I'm saying the extra benefits DID end and NOBODY took the crappy jobs. This is literally happening right now with side-by-side comparisons to look at. That article isn't bullshyt, it's what's actually happening in a real life example. This whole "people won't take jobs bc of unemployment" is just an evolution of the old welfare queen BS that racist ass people were using. People generally prefer the security and benefits of a job, the openings now are at least partially because a chunk of people were able to use to stimulus to wait out better opportunities so they didn't need to pick up second or even third jobs. I realize this ain't intuitive to someone that hasn't actually looked into it, but you're making assumptions and calling the real life data bullshyt...

but theres no point in arguing about this, because you're wrong. the adults in the party know biden has an economy to bring back. the shyt is over

It's right just because Biden and the Dems say so? You know damn well that logic's a flop.

 

[storyteller]

Well in this same forum nikkas were calling her a snake for calling pelosi “mama bear” or whatever.


At the end of the day she’s a politician and will do what’s best for herself and her career. Once you view her movements based off that you can understand why she’s at the met gala and still able to convince her adoring fans it was to “troll” the rich.

That shyt is also off-base. If we're criticizing her bonafides, there's an actual voting and bill-writing record to observe and critique her through. She walks the walk behind her messaging, even if we find it corny (where I think the dress and mama bear comment fall) or outright mistaken at times (I think she's bad at foreign policy flat out).

 

[AquaCityBoy]

"Businesses are hiring and people just don't want to work" "Those jobs are for high school kids and adults shouldn't be taking them"

 

[the cac mamba]

I'm saying the extra benefits DID end and NOBODY took the crappy jobs. This is literally happening right now with side-by-side comparisons to look at. That article isn't bullshyt, it's what's actually happening in a real life example. This whole "people won't take jobs bc of unemployment" is just an evolution of the old welfare queen BS that racist ass people were using. People generally prefer the security and benefits of a job, the openings now are at least partially because a chunk of people were able to use to stimulus to wait out better opportunities so they didn't need to pick up second or even third jobs. I realize this ain't intuitive to someone that hasn't actually looked into it, but you're making assumptions and calling the real life data bullshyt...



It's right just because Biden and the Dems say so? You know damn well that logic's a flop.

they arent taking the jobs...for how long? because they have a couple months of savings? and then what?

you're putting that up against hundreds of years of economics?

are you really saying with a straight face that now that the extra unemployment has been shut off, the unemployment rate isnt gonna drop?

 

[the cac mamba]

"Businesses are hiring and people just don't want to work" "Those jobs are for high school kids and adults shouldn't be taking them"

but now that the vaccine is free and a choice, why is september 2021 and beyond any different than december 2019 and before, when it comes to employment?

make it make sense

if you want to bring Yang back and push for UBI, then just say that

 

[storyteller]

they arent taking the jobs...for how long? because they have a couple months of savings? and then what?

you're putting that up against hundreds of years of economics?

are you really saying with a straight face that now that the extra unemployment has been shut off, the unemployment rate isnt gonna drop?

Hundreds of years? My guy...how long do you think we've had unemployment insurance in place? Wtf are you even talking about?

This isn't complicated. I'm not even the one making the claim, it's the people who actually do "economics" that have been saying that the unemployment benefits haven't impacted labor participation. Even prior to benefits expiring in some states to give us relative comparisons, econ heads were saying that the benefits weren't the problem.

Can unemployment benefits reach a point where they discourage work? Of course...but that's not what's happening now and it's been looked at throughout this whole thing. I doubt you actually bother reading the articles, but this one cites more studies and explains how they come to their conclusions in simple enough terms that anyone can follow. I'll quote the conclusion...

Have Enhanced Unemployment Benefits Discouraged Work? | Econofact

The results of our study, as well as other emerging work, suggest there was not a significant effect of the expansion in unemployment benefits created by the CARES Act on overall employment. The vast majority of employment loss was due to a decrease in job opportunities rather than a decrease in the willingness to work. This does not mean that incentives are erased. When people report anecdotes about some workers not wanting to go back to work, it does reflect their reality. But at the same time, there are so many people who DO want to go back to work despite the benefits, and there are so few jobs, that the disincentive effects of very generous unemployment benefits turn out not to be a problem for the aggregate employment level. When there are too many applicants per job, one person not applying makes no material difference to the job being filled.

 

[storyteller]

Here's another piece showing that ending unemployments benefits didn't have much impact on the labor force. There's more in the article, but I don't wanna overload the thread when the article isn't directly relaed to AOC. It DOES however show why her push to extend unemployment benefits is totally fine and once again shows that people claiming "we need to starve people into taking crappy jobs" aren't operating off the data on hand but pushing hypotheticals that rely on increasing human suffering just to get them to take crappy jobs.

End of US’s extra unemployment benefits gives little boost to labour market

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The end of extra federal unemployment benefits for millions of Americans this month is unlikely to provide a significant boost to the US labour market, according to an analysis by the Financial Times and studies by economists and industry analysts. Before September’s expiry — which left more than 7.5m people without access to enhanced pandemic-related benefits — unemployed people had this year received an extra $300 per week from the federal government in addition to state aid. The federal benefits have been politically divisive, with many Republican leaders arguing they have dissuaded people from returning to the workforce and fuelled a nationwide labour shortage that has inhibited the economic recovery. In June, 22 states withdrew the supplemental payments — a number that rose to 26 by midsummer — creating a sort of natural experiment given that the other states kept them in place. An FT analysis of monthly data from the US Department of Labor shows that states that ended benefits early did not report faster job growth than those that opted to keep additional aid flowing. Non-farm payrolls rose by about 1.3 per cent in both sets of states from May, when the bulk of the states laid out their plans to abandon the federal programme, to August.

 

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