Alex Jones on The Young Turks show

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

IDK where we draw the line....how about at property ownership and non-slaves can own property. I really don't know how places like London do it--- you can explain it to me if you like.

But this is America, we are bread a certain way and our leaders are bread that same way. Everyone needs to protect against everyone. And situations do arise, you never know. What if I'm picking my son up from school and some crazy loser comes in with a weapon , I know that I'm a beast with the sights and he will go down. OR what if u are part of the 1% of situations. Or who knows, I may need to kill someone. You don't forgive someone for certain things like raping ur children, etc. I need an Ar for that.

And yea we have determined our military wont wage war on regular people (that live in the US-worldwide we kill kids and women daily). But the option should always be there. The option that if the people of a state ever had to say naw f u to the government, the government couldn't just simply say get down or lay down without a ton of bodies on its hands.

No offense but every aspect of your argument is pretty weak. "We need guns because Americans are crazy, and theres a 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance I might get into a situation where I need the strap"

If you argued for anything else similarly youd be ridiculed

"Speed limits are stupid, there is a 1 in a trillion chance I might get chased by some Russians and I need to be able to do 200 MPH on the street to evade them"

"Noise ordinances are stupid, there is a one in a hundred squillion chance some home invaders might come to my house, and I need a 200,000W stereo to confuse + scare them off"

We can play this fantasy scenario game to rationalize goofy shyt all day, at the end of the day though its still goofy

The problem is the other 99.99999999999999999999999999% of the time, when youre not defending yourself from imaginary enemies, you're the threat. Who is to say you won't wake up one morning and decide to go on a homicidal rampage? Or someone breaks into your house while youre gone and uses your guns to commit crimes? Hell the death of the YT dude shows that even having a million guns + being a gun expert isn't a guarantee of protection. So gun ownership seeks to solve imaginary problems while creating a lot more real ones. Thats the aspect I think we need to talk about and is the aspect gun owners constantly avoid

 

[Blackking]

No offense but every aspect of your argument is pretty weak. "We need guns because Americans are crazy, and theres a 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance I might get into a situation where I need the strap"

If you argued for anything else similarly youd be ridiculed

"Speed limits are stupid, there is a 1 in a trillion chance I might get chased by some Russians and I need to be able to do 200 MPH on the street to evade them"

"Noise ordinances are stupid, there is a one in a hundred squillion chance some home invaders might come to my house, and I need a 200,000W stereo to confuse + scare them off"

We can play this fantasy scenario game to rationalize goofy shyt all day, at the end of the day though its still goofy

The problem is the other 99.99999999999999999999999999% of the time, when youre not defending yourself from imaginary enemies, you're the threat. Who is to say you won't wake up one morning and decide to go on a homicidal rampage? Or someone breaks into your house while youre gone and uses your guns to commit crimes? Hell the death of the YT dude shows that even having a million guns + being a gun expert isn't a guarantee of protection. So gun ownership seeks to solve imaginary problems while creating a lot more real ones. Thats the aspect I think we need to talk about and is the aspect gun owners constantly avoid

There is a reason people aren't going nuts on traffic laws and speeding laws. There is a reason people aren't in lobbying groups protesting against tough laws against child predators or arson. We, for the most part, protect the laws that protect us and our rights.

To say some one is a fool for worrying about the slim chance they may need a weapon... but then turning around speaking about the .0000000004% of gun owners that might do some crazy shyt and .0000000004748% that might cause harm doing crazy sh1t - is simply asinine.

What's wrong with taking a precaution. I have an alarm on my house. I live in a good neighborhood, more than likely I'm wasting my fckin money- but it's should be up to me to waste my money on whatever.

And the day that Constitutional arguments are weak, for no other reason than retarded agendas.. is the day we end up with sh1t like the Federal reserve.

Not to mention hunting. I don't hunt. But I find it gross that there are people who are currently advocating, no one should own weapons... So if someone wants to capture their own meat (believe it or not some people do this then freeze it) they can't because only the government should own weapons?

 

[The War Report]

Dude is straight up WWE status. He's better than the hacks doing promos right now.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

There is a reason people aren't going nuts on traffic laws and speeding laws. There is a reason people aren't in lobbying groups protesting against tough laws against child predators or arson. We, for the most part, protect the laws that protect us and our rights.

To say some one is a fool for worrying about the slim chance they may need a weapon... but then turning around and only having the .0000000004% of gun owners they might do some crazy shyt and .0000000004748% that might cause harm doing crazy sh1t - is simply asinine.

What's wrong with taking a precaution. I have an alarm on my house. I live in a good neighborhood, more than likely I'm wasting my fckin money- but it's should be up to me to waste my money on whatever.

And the day that Constitutional arguments are weak, for no other reason than retarded agendas.. is the day we end up with sh1t like the Federal reserve.

Not to mention hunting. I don't hunt. But I find it gross that there are people who are currently advocating, no one should own weapons... So if someone wants to capture their own meat (believe it or not some people do this then freeze it) they can't because only the government should own weapons?

The difference is, you living in a good neighborhood + having an alarm on your house doesn't put anyone in any danger or infringe on anyones rights. Carrying a gun does. So the question become, whose rights/safety are more important... yours, or everyone around you

Obv society is predicated on sacrificing some individual rights for the sake of the greater good... why should I have to sacrifice my public safety for you to be able to have a gun? Whats the benefit for me?

 

[Blackking]

The difference is, you living in a good neighborhood + having an alarm on your house doesn't put anyone in any danger or infringe on anyones rights. Carrying a gun does. So the question become, whose rights/safety are more important... yours, or everyone around you

Obv society is predicated on sacrificing some individual rights for the sake of the greater good... why should I have to sacrifice my public safety for you to be able to have a gun? Whats the benefit for me?

Me carrying a gun infringes on you and everyone's rights?

This can't be reality. Me carrying a gun makes everyone anywhere I'm at safer. I'm not crazy, plus I'm not a criminal. I'm trained on gun safety, have extensively used weapons, and will have a high chance of putting someone who actually is a danger to society down.... or I will be able to put down a rouge police officer or military member (those who should be allow to solely carry according to u all).

For the greater good includes, - taxes for services, Identification requirements, not being allowed to cause public disturbances, violent crimes, and taking property that doesn't belong to you. Nothing to do with gun rights - as a matter of fact the government is in violation if it attempts to take guns and assault rifles away. I could be carrying a gun and sitting next to you in the Doctors office- you would never know and you wouldn't be getting your right violated.

What this debate for Pro Gun Control does is allow us as a society to miss the f'in point. Mental disorders among adults and teenagers dealing with stress and anti-socialism with violent behavior are the causes of violence. Men without father figures and schools not providing sufficient mental services, are two things that are so much more responsible for these tragedies than guns. Its really not even comparable. The gun is only the tool.. A lil EMo kid would just make a bomb if he wanted revenge and there were no guns.

 

[Mowgli]

The difference is, you living in a good neighborhood + having an alarm on your house doesn't put anyone in any danger or infringe on anyones rights. Carrying a gun does. So the question become, whose rights/safety are more important... yours, or everyone around you

Obv society is predicated on sacrificing some individual rights for the sake of the greater good... why should I have to sacrifice my public safety for you to be able to have a gun? Whats the benefit for me?

What danger are you under? The chance someone is going to go on a rampage and shoot you? You're about as likely to die in a homocidal rampage as you are to get hit by a car crossing the street. We have guns because we have a right to. Knives and bats kill more people then guns combined. We sensibly dont ban them. To say we shouldnt have them because of a few maniacs is ridiculous. Should we ban everything that causes death because of the actions of a small minority or just guns cuz you're scared.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Me carrying a gun infringes on you and everyone's rights?

This can't be reality. Me carrying a gun makes everyone anywhere I'm at safer. I'm not crazy, plus I'm not a criminal. I'm trained on gun safety, have extensively used weapons, and will have a high chance of putting someone who actually is a danger to society down.... or I will be able to put down a rouge police officer or military member (those who should be allow to solely carry according to u all).

For the greater good includes, - taxes for services, Identification requirements, not being allowed to cause public disturbances, violent crimes, and taking property that doesn't belong to you. Nothing to do with gun rights - as a matter of fact the government is in violation if it attempts to take guns and assault rifles away. I could be carrying a gun and sitting next to you in the Doctors office- you would never know and you wouldn't be getting your right violated.

What this debate for Pro Gun Control does is allow us as a society to miss the f'in point. Mental disorders among adults and teenagers dealing with stress and anti-socialism with violent behavior are the causes of violence. Men without father figures and schools not providing sufficient mental services, are two things that are so much more responsible for these tragedies than guns. Its really not even comparable. The gun is only the tool.. A lil EMo kid would just make a bomb if he wanted revenge and there were no guns.

Again.... you are thinking under the premise that nothing could ever go wrong with you or your gun. 99 times out of 100 if you are carrying you are prob the only person w/a gun in the room. Someone could take your gun off of you, you could go nuts, etc. Regardless of what you think, you bringing a gun into a space introduces a danger that wouldn't have been there otherwise.

I agree that the country is kind of missing the point on the dialogue about guns, but that includes gun owners too. You guys think you are superheroes and that there are no potential downsides to you bringing a gun into a public space. I heard a FEW idiots say if they were at the Boulder Colorado theater they would have taken down the shooter. Please. Just because you have a gun and some training doesn't make you Harrow from Boardwalk Empire. Gun owners are full of themselves to the point that its a detriment.

What danger are you under? The chance someone is going to go on a rampage and shoot you? You're about as likely to die in a homocidal rampage as you are to get hit by a car crossing the street. We have guns because we have a right to. Knives and bats kill more people then guns combined. We sensibly dont ban them. To say we shouldnt have them because of a few maniacs is ridiculous. Should we ban everything that causes death because of the actions of a small minority or just guns cuz you're scared.

Proof/link??????????????????????

 

[Blackking]

Again.... you are thinking under the premise that nothing could ever go wrong with you or your gun. 99 times out of 100 if you are carrying you are prob the only person w/a gun in the room. Someone could take your gun off of you, you could go nuts, etc. Regardless of what you think, you bringing a gun into a space introduces a danger that wouldn't have been there otherwise.

I agree that the country is kind of missing the point on the dialogue about guns, but that includes gun owners too. You guys think you are superheroes and that there are no potential downsides to you bringing a gun into a public space. I heard a FEW idiots say if they were at the Boulder Colorado theater they would have taken down the shooter. Please. Just because you have a gun and some training doesn't make you Harrow from Boardwalk Empire. Gun owners are full of themselves to the point that its a detriment.



Proof/link??????????????????????

My argument isn't weak because it's not an argument; it's reality and the truth. The Gun control people are the ones making a case and an argument because it's hard to argue a point based solely on fear and ideology.

And some gun owners could prevent some crimes and shootings... not that they are supermen.. but it just increases chances of minimizing the incident.

Lol @ someone could take my gun off me. I guess that could happen, but I've seen soooo many police officers that aren't properly securing their weapon. IT would be more difficult to take a gun from me.. and the chances of that happening are even less than a crazy person shooting up a place and a gun owner not being able to stop it.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Much of the time... yes.

stop it.

 

[The Real]

stop it.

Stop what? Telling the truth? He's as much a charlatan as any of these other tv pundits.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

I just told you my opinion. In a nutshell I think its time we take a hard look at gun ownership in the US and determine whether the 2nd amendment is still relevant in its current form. I also think theres more to it than "assault rifles". I think both sides of the argument are being intellectually dishonest.

In the context of Alex Jones, hes a gun rights extremist and between his logical + factual inaccuracies and needlessly abrasive nature he does more to hurt his cause than help it. He makes himself hard to listen to, and then when you do it turns out he's spewing garbage. Thats it in a nut shell, I'm not gonna repeat myself a 3rd time

Your having an extremely hard time clearly stating your positions, yet you are certain Alex jones is "crazy" and doesn't know what he is talking about. Perhaps you should go and read some more left wing blogs so you can better understand your position?

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

If the point of the 2nd amendments is to keep the people on equal footing in weaponry w/the govt, then we need GPS guided nuclear missiles and armored tanks and all that shyt too. Because handguns are fukking worthless in that regard. People bring up Vietnam + Afghanistan... those MFers have RPGs and grenades and all types of other shyt that was never covered by the 2nd amendment. So again as it stands if the 2nd amendment's job is to enable us to "protect ourselves" from govt its failing. And I dont know about you but I personally wouldn't want the likes of Alex Jones + his followers stockpiling nuclear warheads

No said anything about equal footing. Stop changing the argument to bolster your weak position.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

My argument isn't weak because it's not an argument; it's reality and the truth. The Gun control people are the ones making a case and an argument because it's hard to argue a point based solely on fear and ideology.

And some gun owners could prevent some crimes and shootings... not that they are supermen.. but it just increases chances of minimizing the incident.

Lol @ someone could take my gun off me. I guess that could happen, but I've seen soooo many police officers that aren't properly securing their weapon. IT would be more difficult to take a gun from me.. and the chances of that happening are even less than a crazy person shooting up a place and a gun owner not being able to stop it.

The chance of someone taking your gun off of you or getting to you in your home before you can get to a gun are higher than that of the govt "committing tyranny". You downplay/marginalize the problems guns create and overexaggerate the probability + impact of the problems they solve

Your having an extremely hard time clearly stating your positions, yet you are certain Alex jones is "crazy" and doesn't know what he is talking about. Perhaps you should go and read some more left wing blogs so you can better understand your position?

I dont need any website to formulate or state my opinions. I just summed them up in a nutshell. If you cant understand me thats your problem.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

No said anything about equal footing. Stop changing the argument to bolster your weak position.

Again, how could we win in combat w/things so skewed in the govt's favor

They dont even need men on the ground to wage war on us, what good is a handgun in the context of fighting govt tyranny

 

[Blackking]

The chance of someone taking your gun off of you or getting to you in your home before you can get to a gun are higher than that of the govt "committing tyranny". You downplay/marginalize the problems guns create and overexaggerate the probability + impact of the problems they solve
.

The chance that someone would ever stop a mass shooting decreases with only a select few allowed to have guns. The chance that I can defend myself in the case of a home evasion decreases without a weapon. Because even when there is an illegal gun ban there will still be crazies with access to the black market. NTM every criminal will have a gun stashed away somewhere. I know a neo-con white dude at my job who has buried 2 Ar's "just in case". The people who will still have the weapons will be the problem, while average citizen who would never commit a crime or hateful act are stripped of their rights. Only in a weak, brain washed, overly passivised society could this happen.

And we are on here acting as if governments haven't always committed tyranny and that it's beyond the future of our government. I'm not saying it's 100% likely, but why would anyone simply Give up a freakin right to a government that literally takes away rights every year? We have a federal reserve system that is criminally raping us. We have slowly been losing rights (for our safely- again due to fear and weak minded ideology) since 2001. We have an education system that simply isn't trying to educate the masses on real sh1t... or even normal sh1t. And now we are going to give up weapons- that just sounds crazy to me. Especially when tracking devices, cameras and big brother systems on every main street, and the ability for the government to snatch you from your home with our due process is already a reality for us.

I can't even research conspiracies or survival techniques (I don't do this) at a local librarian without the chance of triggering someones attention and monitoring.

NTM, hunters rights is basically enough of a reason for me anyway.