Do you feel that the 2nd amendment should be altered and or reinterpreted?
Alex Jones on The Young Turks show
- Thread starter Julius Skrrvin
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Yes....
The country + world are a totally different place now than they were when the Constitution was written... and the forefathers made the document flexible to enable govt to adapt to a changing world (unlike the monarchies they sought to escape). The concept of civilian militias resetting the govt died out about 100 years ago, and I don't think its unreasonable to have a discussion on the place of guns in American society today
I am not 100% against private gun ownership, but I think people need to start using arguments for them that are relevant to today, not 1776. Alex Jones calls for "revolution" are another of many points he screamed out that I disagree with...
But again, I don't buy into dude's ideology, why are you engaging someone who is clearly in a "trance" and can't think for themselves?
If you were running things, what modifications would you make to gun control considering the facts you know about which weapons do the most killing. We both agree that assault rifles do the least amount of killing in America? So we would need some kind of handgun ban right?
The types of guns dont matter
Its about determining whether or not they should be in the hands of private citizens, and how to ensure they stay out of the hands of crazy people
And determine how much we need to do to stop these mass killings. As crazy as they are theyd ont amt to a big slice of overall murders
Also have to determine how to get crazy people help and bring a focus back onto mental health. We have been slipping there
I never said I agreed w/Pierce whatever his name is if thats the corner you are trying to question me into
With less people dying every year to gun violence do you think gun control is the key to stopping mass killings?
In your opinion, what is too much gun control. Where do you draw the line on that issue?
Do you think gun control is the key to stopping mass killings?
Do you think mental health issues are more or less important then gun control.
In a country where guns are legal, how do you keep a crazy person from doing a mass killing if thats what he wants to do?
Is this a conversation or interrogation? What is the point of all these questions?
I want to know your opinion. Im factoring in your answers with my follow up questions. Please answer my questions.
I just told you my opinion. In a nutshell I think its time we take a hard look at gun ownership in the US and determine whether the 2nd amendment is still relevant in its current form. I also think theres more to it than "assault rifles". I think both sides of the argument are being intellectually dishonest.
In the context of Alex Jones, hes a gun rights extremist and between his logical + factual inaccuracies and needlessly abrasive nature he does more to hurt his cause than help it. He makes himself hard to listen to, and then when you do it turns out he's spewing garbage. Thats it in a nut shell, I'm not gonna repeat myself a 3rd time
In the context of Alex Jones, hes a gun rights extremist and between his logical + factual inaccuracies and needlessly abrasive nature he does more to hurt his cause than help it. He makes himself hard to listen to, and then when you do it turns out he's spewing garbage. Thats it in a nut shell, I'm not gonna repeat myself a 3rd time
What would you do if you were in charge and could revamp things as you see fit based on the facts.
cenk: "do you think after watching this there might be a slight possibility that people maybe sorta might possibly think you may be just ever so slightly 'touched'?"
alex: "TRILATERAL REPTILIAN DISINFO BILDERBERG ILLUMINATI UFO LOCH NESS VACCINE STERILIZATION FLUORIDE!!!!!"
alex: "TRILATERAL REPTILIAN DISINFO BILDERBERG ILLUMINATI UFO LOCH NESS VACCINE STERILIZATION FLUORIDE!!!!!"
The world is different.. which is why it's awesome that those racist kak's had the foresight.
The place of guns is the same as it was then. Personal protection- how can you deny this is needed? To not allow the government be the only ones with weapons- also needed, especially on principle. Rights- so we can't own property we buy?
The government is the one attempting to abuse it's power. Its crazy when someone as crazy as Alex Jones - is having normal people agreeing and supporting him.
If the point of the 2nd amendments is to keep the people on equal footing in weaponry w/the govt, then we need GPS guided nuclear missiles and armored tanks and all that shyt too. Because handguns are fukking worthless in that regard. People bring up Vietnam + Afghanistan... those MFers have RPGs and grenades and all types of other shyt that was never covered by the 2nd amendment. So again as it stands if the 2nd amendment's job is to enable us to "protect ourselves" from govt its failing. And I dont know about you but I personally wouldn't want the likes of Alex Jones + his followers stockpiling nuclear warheads
well.. I know this may be a random gay reference.. but in the hunger games trilogy.. She said something I've always thought. The government would never have a nuc war with it's people. So the warheads are irrelevant.
I know people with heavy weapons. Some people have illegal weapson, actually many people have illegal weapons. NTM urban warfare. assult rifles are important for protection against the government. NTM many of the military members aren't loyal to the government. The government would have to either brain wash everyone (like the are trying to do) or go full force and attack- which they never will.
To keep things cool and keep everyone with a peace of mind, people should be able to have weapons, all weapons. Stats don't support gun control opinions anyway.
Where do we draw the line on what weapons govts wont use
I've heard everything from warheads to drones. People seem to think the only way the govt would ever engage the public is ground combat. And even w/that some pro gun advocates scoff
Which makes me think, if the govt wont use weapons against us, why do we need weapons to protect ourselves from them
And the idea that people can only act civilized if everyone has a country worth of artillery stashed away is ridiculous. There are plenty of Western countries in which guns are forbidden that are functioning just fine. 99.9% of Americans will never face a situation where they need a gun, so we don't need guns to remain civilized and functional, outside of for cops + military etc (who we just determined won't wage war on innocent people)
IDK where we draw the line....how about at property ownership and non-slaves can own property. I really don't know how places like London do it--- you can explain it to me if you like.
But this is America, we are bread a certain way and our leaders are bread that same way. Everyone needs to protect against everyone. And situations do arise, you never know. What if I'm picking my son up from school and some crazy loser comes in with a weapon , I know that I'm a beast with the sights and he will go down. OR what if u are part of the 1% of situations. Or who knows, I may need to kill someone. You don't forgive someone for certain things like raping ur children, etc. I need an Ar for that.
And yea we have determined our military wont wage war on regular people (that live in the US-worldwide we kill kids and women daily). But the option should always be there. The option that if the people of a state ever had to say naw f u to the government, the government couldn't just simply say get down or lay down without a ton of bodies on its hands.