Wrestlemania buyrates >>>> everything else
AGREE OR DISAGREE:John Cena has Surpass HHH On the GOAT LIST
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MrSinnister
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He publicly spanked that ass, and didn't get buried immediatelyIn 10 years when Steph leaves Trips for Cena we'll know
. Says all I need to know. And people say Hatch is the most powerful Kliq member because his last name is McMahon 
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I guess kayfabe wise when your counting title wins and etc, but i personally take all prince pauls gimmicks, matches and runs over cena. Prince Paul one of the best to ever do it although I know net smarks hate him for some reason.
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I never though about putting them together like that, but after they both fought Punk, Bryan, and especially Lesnar I remember thinking Cena's matches were clearly better. The only one HHH has off top is his Rock series as both of them were in their primes.
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MrSinnister
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What this thread is turning into, as both men killed wrestling, with their constant backstage politicking, and never being able to truly "go over" them, except Haitch/HBK for Cena. They both go by the same playbook, it's just Cena wins by volume. That's all. At least HHH does vary his character a bit (corporate H, cuckold H, "King H", face revenge H).Each time you beat either one, there's some fukkery involved so the performer can't really take the ball and run with it (double burial of Punk after beating Cena with unproven AT ALL Del Rio immediately after defending against Cena to win the feud unanimously, THEN jobbing to H in playing the heel role immediately after transcending Cena as number one face, or 1b-all the fukkery Daniel Bryan went through with Orton's cash in, the SHEER HELL Rock was put through, then Jericho, edit: and King Kurt, in Haitch's era).
So all of this talk about buy rates is skewed, as people bought to see the face or heel beat either one of them, so avg. buy rates should be counted. I would guess Haitch beats Cena here, for the sheer amount of money flowing in through the boom period, that Haitch killed. Haitch is a better in ring wrestler as well. Haitch has better feuds, but underwhelming matches to end them. Cena is just level. Cena is just volume.
Cena also was primarily responsible for breaking WWE's main profit model: PPV. WWE saw the writing on the wall that people weren't going to continue to pay 60 bucks just to see Cena overcome the odds, and wanted to trap parents by just paying 9.99 so their kiddies can enjoy their idol...period. His initial feuds after the Network launch reflected that.
I could go on, but I'll do it in another post. Cena is simply better by the number of HOF's he was able to go over.
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straight wrestling accolades? it ain't hard to do.
Wrestling accolades that you give yourself?
Wrestling accolades that you give yourself?
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Great minds think alikemy bad. didn't read the thread before replying.
Each time you beat either one, there's some fukkery involved so the performer can't really take the ball and run with it (double burial of Punk after beating Cena with unproven AT ALL Del Rio immediately after defending against Cena to win the feud unanimously, THEN jobbing to H in playing the heel role immediately after transcending Cena as number one face, or 1b-all the fukkery Daniel Bryan went through with Orton's cash in, the SHEER HELL Rock was put through, then Jericho, edit: and King Kurt, in Haitch's era).
So all of this talk about buy rates is skewed, as people bought to see the face or heel beat either one of them, so avg. buy rates should be counted. I would guess Haitch beats Cena here, for the sheer amount of money flowing in through the boom period, that Haitch killed. Haitch is a better in ring wrestler as well. Haitch has better feuds, but underwhelming matches to end them. Cena is just level. Cena is just volume.
Cena also was primarily responsible for breaking WWE's main profit model: PPV. WWE saw the writing on the wall that people weren't going to continue to pay 60 bucks just to see Cena overcome the odds, and wanted to trap parents by just paying 9.99 so their kiddies can enjoy their idol...period. His initial feuds after the Network launch reflected that.
I could go on, but I'll do it in another post. Cena is simply better by the number of HOF's he was able to go over.
That's rather simplistic to blame Cena for ppv going away. Look at the trends for boxing and ufc, you'd see that people will purchase the big show even more so than before, but will not buy an inconsequential event. Boxing only has a few ppv a year these days, and a heavyweight title fight hasn't been on ppv since Lennox Lewis fought over a decade ago. Ufc sold massively for Ronda fight and will for Aldo-McGregor but will not sell for Mighty Mouse or when Werdum fights Velasquez. Monthly ppvs are dying anyway. WWE mistake was adding Mania, Rumble and SSlam to the network as well. This isn't a Cena construct.
MrSinnister
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It was a mistake is what it was. Should've been a YouTube for past matches and incorporation of interviews to help strengthen feuds that didn't have the time to be on air. Could've been a hybrid PPV/Network collaboration. Nah, Cena just wasn't a draw, but they blamed the "other guy" in his useless feuds.
I have sampling an anecdotal evidence that people were tired of paying to watch Cena go over people and new stars being fed to hi as some rite of passage.
He's been the biggest one they've had since 2005, and essentially replaced HHH. Hence the subject of this thread.
MrSinnister
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That's what I meant at the topic of thread changing. Seems like a slurp Cena or HHH thread now. I'm just being fair to their overall impact on the company. They killed the boom and their primarily source of revenues. Okay, both can sell toys out the wazoo, with their classical, but childish takes on their characters.
Adults buy PPV's though, not children. So it's just comparing a semen sandwich with a shyt one.
. Some people like that though 
.So people who slurp, please continue.
Box Cutta
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Not a huge fan of either, but at least Trips has actual periods where I liked him (DX, Evolution).
I give Cena his props for seemingly being a workaholic for most of his career, but that's really it.
His US Title run work this year is already overrated as shyt. The concept itself was interesting enough, but ultimately, I don't give a fukk about those kick-out fest (Oh, I'm sure you've all went back and watched the oh so classic match between Cena and Neville on Raw....
). And the storylines were just as pedantic as any other WWE writing. Also they completely ruined it by having him lose the belt in a NOTHING match against Del Rio before having him take a break. That guaranteed that ADR didn't get any sort of rub.
I give Cena his props for seemingly being a workaholic for most of his career, but that's really it.
His US Title run work this year is already overrated as shyt. The concept itself was interesting enough, but ultimately, I don't give a fukk about those kick-out fest (Oh, I'm sure you've all went back and watched the oh so classic match between Cena and Neville on Raw....
). And the storylines were just as pedantic as any other WWE writing. Also they completely ruined it by having him lose the belt in a NOTHING match against Del Rio before having him take a break. That guaranteed that ADR didn't get any sort of rub.Dreamzeedream
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I don't know if he's a better wrestler than HHH