The hate for Dwight on this forum border lines on extreme delusion. He's a HOF. We could argue about his skills and impact but he has been the most relevant C in the 21st century. He will get in
After tonight, numbers should NOT be considered in the HOF case for Dwight Howard.
NV-ME
Make It Hot-ta
he'll prolly get in, but he dont make much of a difference anymore. he never took a devoted shot at bettering his offense or fts, then he lost some athleticism, and now the game has shifted to guard and perimeter play. just glad he already came through my team, so we dont get fooled into giving him a big contract, thinking/hoping something is gonna actually change. his best years are done and the game is evolving in the opposite direction.
At this point in his career, Dwight has:
- Won the DPOY 3 times
- Made the ASG 8 times
- Made the All-NBA 1st team 5 times
- Made the All-NBA 2nd team once
- Made the All-NBA 3rd team 2 times
- Made the NBA All-Defensive First Team 4 times
- Made the NBA All-Defensive Second Team once
- Led the league in total rebounds 6 times and ranked top 5 every season of his career save for 2014/15 (when he missed half the season)
- Led the league in RPG 5 times and ranked top 10 every season of his career
- Led the league in BPG 2 times
- Led the league ion DRTG 3 times and rank 2nd in active players, only behind Tim Duncan
- Olympic champion in 2008
- Career stats after 12 seasons ~ 18pts 13rbs 2blks & 58% fg
I dislike Dwight but there's literally no other player who would have the same career and not get in the hall
Dwight deserves the hall of fame considering what type of players made it there already.
Thing is that his accomplishments are overrated because in his prime he had no competition in his position, no one, and when washed up yao ming or shaq played him one on one they were doing fine. shyt like that.
He would not be making to the all nba 1st team if there was actually really legit big men in the game that time. He played for easily the most washed up center position era. Now that we are seeing new drafted big men putting in work dwight looks quite often helpless against them + that back problem.
Dwight has 3 defensive player titles, meanwhile tim duncan has none and he is one of the greatest defensive players of all time, it says a lot about the value of this award.
He led the league in rebounds and blocks because once again there was no competition in his position, he wouldn't be leading shyt against prime mutombo, shaq, alonzo, ben wallace.
Overblown stats, thats all, even his playoff series wins are overrated. He beat the celtics without KG and it took them 7 games to do that. He beat those 09 cavs, we can congratulate him on that, also came back from the 1-3 against clippers. And that's where his meaningful playoff wins end.
10-20 years later some nba fans will be looking at his career and having those discussions where people talk about past eras like they knew shyt and will be using his stats to say that dwight was a phenomenal player. Without any context.
Once again, he can only play against what's in front of him. No player with these kind of accomplishments doesn't make the HOF.
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
He averaged 20.6pts/13.8rbs/2.6blks during that stretch and his team won 52, 59, 52 & 52 mostly on the back of his work. He may not have deserved to be MVP but he was certainly a candidate. They usually lost vs better teams, save for 2011 vs the Hawks (in which his supporting cast FAILED him big time).
He ranked 5th in MVP votes in 08, 4th in 09 & 10 & 2nd in 11. That's an MVP candidate.
The Cavs part is justsorry
Jameer Nelson?he didn't even play in the series.
Turkoglu averaged 17.2/6.3/6.7 but shot 39% (also 39% on 3s) and provided little to no defense that series.
Dwight averaged 25.8pts & 13rbs to go along with 2.8asts on 65fg%. He also provided on defense and had a 40/14/4 game to close the series out in Cleveland.
You're right, my bad on the Cavs series. Must gotten it mixed up with other series of that era
I should'nt have said he wasn't an MVP candidate (since he was in the voting), I'm saying that he benefited from weak opposition at his position that led to him being overated imo. And in a league where Bron and Kobe were still at the very top, I never once looked at Dwight play and said "Yeah, this guy is playing like an MVP too". Hell Harden was 2nd in votes last year.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
you could say this about Shaq from 98-2004
Like I mentioned in my opening post, LOOK at the player only. Shaq in no way fails the eye test. Shaq's impact cannot be questioned, he is a 10x all-star, multiple first all nba team in any era guaranteed.
He came into the league holding his own against the likes of hall of famers like Hakeem, Ewing, Zo, DROB in THEIR PRIMES in HIS ROOKIE YEAR.
You're right, my bad on the Cavs series. Must gotten it mixed up with other series of that era
I should'nt have said he wasn't an MVP candidate (since he was in the voting), I'm saying that he benefited from weak opposition at his position that led to him being overated imo. And in a league where Bron and Kobe were still at the very top, I never once looked at Dwight play and said "Yeah, this guy is playing like an MVP too". Hell Harden was 2nd in votes last year.
I don't think many people ever considered him as the best player in the league but he was arguably top 5 during his athletic prime.
Dawg, shut the fukk up. This opinionated nonsense. This shyt worse than nikkas trying to say Tracy McGrady was better than Duncan. In every impact stat, Dwight was one of the best players we had who was a big.
No...
Shaq was killing people
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
he was killing way past their prime types and 6'9" dudes.
This is basically a "I have no argument to what dude just said, so STFU".
The audacity of that cat to bring up SHAQ is ABSURD.
malbaker86
Gators
It virtually has nothing to do with HOF eligibility. If that were the case, most of the names pre-1970 don't belong in the HOF either.
Again, what does your perception of him having no competition at the 5 spot have to do with him making the HOF? You don't get into the HOF based on competition at your position, you get in based on your accomplishments and impact.
Does a player like Andy Phillip (5x All Star, 2x All-NBA second team; 9.1 ppg, 5.4 apg - career) look like a HOFer to you?
You're saying he shouldn't be considered for the HOF based on his numbers, then in the next breath you're telling me to not look at the stat sheet because it shows that he has the accolades of having a legitimate case?
If you haven;t noticed, he's a shell of his former self due to his back issues. He's not capable of putting up #s and handling a big load [no homo] like he use to. If you went through the HOF, I'm sure you could nitpick and manipulate situations where A LOT of players didn't performing up to standard/their abilities. He's by no means a perfect player, but he certainly has accomplished enough in his career to be inducted into the HOF. Players with less accomplishments have made it in.
Don't mind these dudes Gil, you're gonna drive yourself mad. Only people who regularly had success against Dwight (Ming, Duncan, pre Phoenix Shaq) were some of the best post players ever. People acting like a back issue, for a BIG man no less, should be easy to bounce back from. Once that back acts up once, you're on borrowed time.....see T-Mac
Nah Hakeem, Mourning, Robinson, Ewing were not past their primes
I hate the fact that this fool is from the A 
Biggest lame in a league full of lames. Hasn't expanded his game one bit since he came into the league. Still has no post moves, no jumper, can't hit a foul shot, cant do shyt on D except block a shot, and thats only because he is 6 11 and built like a tank. Matter of fact, his entire output is because of his size. If he was 6 ft 4 he would be on Smush Parker status.
Biggest lame in a league full of lames. Hasn't expanded his game one bit since he came into the league. Still has no post moves, no jumper, can't hit a foul shot, cant do shyt on D except block a shot, and thats only because he is 6 11 and built like a tank. Matter of fact, his entire output is because of his size. If he was 6 ft 4 he would be on Smush Parker status.