After rewatching The Wire, I think it's safe to say Stringer>Avon.

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Yup. Breanna told Namond and Delonda that the money had dried up. And this was the baby mama and eldest son of Avons right hand man. Avon didn't have enough bread to take care of dudes family. The man that refused to snitch and ttook all of those murders for him. This might be why Wee Bay linked up with Chris while in prison...no evidence for that but I could speculate that it was to make money.
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are you talkin about the scene where they were chillin on the fence in the ending montage?

i didnt really read into that, i kinda just thought it was a "all the shyt these dudes did, this is where they ended up" and they had a mutual respect for each other and what theyd been through. maybe there was more to it :ehh:
 

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I love how every wire discussion spirals out into like 7+ pages all these years later..greatest show of all time. :feedme:




That being said, Stringer's weakness was he underestimated everyone around him. He thought he was the only smart dude in the game. He looked down on EVERYONE. Reading the Wealth of Nations does not make one a genius. I'll always admire his ambition though.
 

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Eh, not really. Who is the head of the Commission now?
yeah really they just had a huge bust in NYC again with a bunch of the families involved
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/nyregion/mafia-five-families-racketeering-conspiracy.html?_r=0
Forty-six members of an organized crime network that included four of New York’s five Mafia families were charged in a large-scale racketeering conspiracy, according to an indictment unsealed on Thursday.

The group, which included members of the Genovese, Gambino, Lucchese and Bonanno crime families, worked together in a conspiracy that spanned from Springfield, Mass., to South Florida, and involved extortion, arson, health care and credit card fraud, illegal gambling and the sale of illegal firearms and cigarettes, according to the indictment. A majority of those charged were from New York.

Federal authorities said the arrests, the product of a multiyear investigation conducted by federal and local authorities with an undercover special agent as well as a cooperating witness, showed that the Mafia was still a force in the city.

Preet Bharara, the United States attorney for the Southern District of New York, said in a statement that “threatening to assault, maim and kill people who get in the way of their criminal schemes remains the go-to play in the mob’s playbook.”

Prosecutors identified three men who they said “supervised and controlled” the network: Joseph Merlino, whom they believe to be the boss of the so-called Philadelphia crime family; Eugene O’Nofrio, a Genovese capo known as Rooster, who they said was in charge of crews on Mulberry Street in Manhattan’s Little Italy neighborhood; and Pasquale Parrello, who is believed to be a capo in the Genovese organization.

Some of the trouble revolved around a gambling club in Yonkers that prosecutors said was operated by another defendant, Anthony Zinzi, nicknamed Anthony Boy, and other associates, who used profits to pay tribute to Mr. Parrello. When a rival’s nearby club grew to be more successful, another defendant, Mark Maiuzzo, nicknamed Stymie, found the rival’s car and lit it on fire in March 2011, according to the indictment.

Don't know who is the head, that said from what I've heard that is the way they like it now.
 

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If Avon had let Omar breath for a while like Stringer suggested he would have been saved a lot of trouble down the road. Avon's idea of torturing Brandon and "Putting him on display" was stupid in hindsight and incurred the wrath of Omar. No need for all that extra nonsense just kill him and chalk it up to the game.

Was killing D'Angelo heartless? Yes, but it had to be done. We saw how easily D folded when the pressure got to him. He clearly wasn't cut out for the gangster life style and once he started to feel them years he would have flipped. Even Avon realized it had to be done.

The Co-Op was a great idea that brought in more money and less attention from the cops. Instead of beefing over corners and killing each other over grievances, the king-pins sat together and aired out concerns. Everything was all good until Avon started beefing with some snot nose kid over territory that they didn't even need. Look, I like Avon but he just couldn't see the big picture. Like Stringer said "They don't want to see you get organized".
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he let marlo live.... co op SOUNDED good.... but what did poot and avon tell him... once you LET another nikka take your corners, you gonna look like a bytch out here... and once that happens, you food


avon was 2 seconds from killing marlo when stringers snitching did him in

marlo would later go on to take over the co op, kill anyone who opposed him, make the price of the brick go up, and take over the entire baltimore

why? cause stringer didn't let avon kill him




that's also ignoring the fact that he'd have tried to hit a state senator and had all sorts of nationwide law enforcement on him...


stringer was a smart dumb nikka
 

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Avon only got one up on Marlo after getting locked up and officially taking that L in the drug war. He underestimated Marlo too, he had dumb nikkas getting clapped even though they had the drop on Marlo's goons


and he def tried it with that weak ass shyt with Devonne:mjlol:Bruh caught a hot one in the shoulder over that:mjcry:

Ain't no revisionist history here, pretending like Avon saw that youngins rise from a mile away. Both Stringer and Avon failed to recognize who and what Marlo was until way after the fact.

breh when avon got arrested he was in the spot with 10-15 guns, military machine guns and grenades

they got the call that marlo was at the shop and was just about to ride on this nikka

marlo would have been dead that night on some war shyt... he was done sending nikkas and was leading a scarface type hit squad on the nikka who had 2 nikkas with him at the time


 

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Avon knew what Marlo was from day one, even though marlo/chris got a shot avon, Avon had the whole east side tooling up on Marlo while he was looking for council at the rim shop with them older cats, Marlo was in over his head and he ain't know it... the jail scene was about Marlo being humbled to the power Avon had, not only did he have the whole prison on lock and could have got him touched then and there, Avon still had the connect as well, so therefore the king stayed the king
lets not forget mid war, marlo went into hiding from avon... there was a long stretch where they couldn't even find marlo cause chris told him to lay low until they could figure something out... avon had them boys under pressure
 

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he let marlo live.... co op SOUNDED good.... but what did poot and avon tell him... once you LET another nikka take your corners, you gonna look like a bytch out here... and once that happens, you food


avon was 2 seconds from killing marlo when stringers snitching did him in

marlo would later go on to take over the co op, kill anyone who opposed him, make the price of the brick go up, and take over the entire baltimore

why? cause stringer didn't let avon kill him




that's also ignoring the fact that he'd have tried to hit a state senator and had all sorts of nationwide law enforcement on him...


stringer was a smart dumb nikka

What Marlo did was on Prop Joe not Stringer. I'm not saying Stringer didn't have his faults but overall he was what the organization needed to take it to new heights.

And the Co-Op was good idea. That's why Slim Charles and the old heads were still using it even after the death of Stringer and Joe. They saw the value.
 

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What Marlo did was on Prop Joe not Stringer. I'm not saying Stringer didn't have his faults but overall he was what the organization needed to take it to new heights.

And the Co-Op was good idea. That's why Slim Charles and the old heads were still using it even after the death of Stringer and Joe. They saw the value.
Could the co-op work for the long term though? One snitch and everybody is going down

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When I was younger and watched The Wire for the first time I was in the 'Stringer is a visionary, Avon is a gloriously awesome OG, but a bit of a shythead' camp, but now I actually think it's the other way around - rather, Avon is the realest OG, and also a visionary genius, while Stringer isn't about much.

Stringer liked to think of himself as the smartest guy in the room and also appeared to be the voice of reason in the Barksdale - Stanfield War; notably accusing Avon of "playing soldier", insinuating that Avon had egotistical reasons to go after Marlo.

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Avon went after Marlo because he was the only guy in the entire show who recognised Marlo for what he was. Stringer thought he could reason with Marlo; Prop Joe thought he could civilise Marlo. Avon was the only one who saw the truth that Marlo would stop at nothing and betray everybody he allied himself with in the quest for power. There could be no truce with someone like Marlo. Either you got him or he was going to get you.

You just need to watch two scenes to understand that Avon >>> Stringer in all aspects as a boss.



Here Wee-Bey is willing to stand tall for Avon, going up against Omar who had only an episode earlier capped Stinkum and landed hits on Bey. Such is the dedication, respect and loyalty Avon is able to foster and command from even his most skilled, veteran troops.



Here Stringer gets straight disrespected by Poot, virtually a non-entity in the power structure of the organisation, just a corner boy. And Poot's only spitting what everyone else in the room is thinking. The crew have no belief in him, no respect for his decisions, and no confidence in his leadership.
 

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Avon and Marlo knew what Stringer didn't about the game. It's illegal and savage, therefore cannot be played on the up and up or like a legal rational business.

Bullshyt. The Mob and Mexican cartels say otherwise. They have a certain level of organization black gangs lack. A few black gangs came close though.
 

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Bullshyt. The Mob and Mexican cartels say otherwise. They have a certain level of organization black gangs lack. A few black gangs came close though.

They don't deal drugs in the hood though. Not directly. In The Sopranos for example they sell cocaine along garbage routes, to street level dealers. The Mafia and the cartels are wholesalers, like the Greeks in The Wire. Street gangs that actually push the drugs to the end customer have to deal with a great deal more violence than the wholesalers do.

Besides the violence in Mexico itself is out of control.
 

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It's harder to get knocked since you won't give cops much reason to look into your stuff. Remember, top dudes like Burrell didn't even want to investigate a man that had hundreds of murders to his name just because it would be inconvenient. I can't see them caring too much if bodies stopped dropping.

Yeah but next time a psycho like Marlo comes around Slim Charles and co will know what to do. I really can't see the old heads being so stupid to mess up a good thing.

A guy like Marlo can only come up when there's a power vacuum and there was since Avon was in jail. String was more cut out to be the VP or the CFO, not the leading man in charge. He was right about them needing to become more organized and also right about them needing to wash their money and move on into legal businesses. But they were still in the street and without Avon, String was food because he wasn't savage enough. String maybe would've made a good peacetime leader (if there's ever a peacetime in drug dealing :heh:) but maybe not since he made a bunch of slimy moves anyway that got him killed eventually. Avon was the wartime leader, plus he was still smart enough to maneuver around the game. Point blank, people forget Slim Charles would've killed Marlo. Yea.....Avon underestimated Marlo at first. He didn't realize the kid was a more psychotic version of him and was really coming for control/power. Once Avon realized he wasn't a dumb corner boy, ,he took him more serious. If Stringer hadn't snitched Avon out and Avon stayed out on the streets for a few more months, Marlo would've been dead. A guy like Marlo can only gain power when there's a power vacuum (String running the show with Avon in prison) or if the current regime is weak (Prop Joe with no muscle and the Co-Op playing Wall Street in boardrooms). If there's a strong organization in place, with a strong leader running it, which Slim Charles is now that he's king (unless Avon gets out), any future Marlos would get taken out the game the moment they showed they were a threat.
 
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