Where they planning the invasion as part of their surrender?
After reading this NYT article on the Nagasaki bombing, U.S. was truly pathetic
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Japan had it coming.
You can not be OK with it 80 years later.
I'm starting to think you're literally psychotic.
Nukes had never been used
I'm starting to think you're literally psychotic.
the US didn't know the soviets would have it that soon
The US didn't realize how the next 50 years would go.
You can't just look back at everything and wag your finger at it.
Japan lost all its allies was isolated and was facing the two biggest armies at the time. To say dropping the bomb was unnecessary is not necessarily hindsight. And the reason people don't focus on the firebombs is because firebombs don't have the lingering environmental effects that nukes do.
It's gonna be a sad when when we get ours. Hopefully I won't be around for thatThere is no such thing as good or bad when it comes to war, just blood and greed. They used Japan as a testing ground to see just how powerful a nuke actually was, and no they didn't give a fuk about the people. Japan also isn't innocent, and has done their share of crimes against humanity. Everyone gets there's eventually.
King Kreole
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Yeah this is really shameful, especially seeing as America never has an issue doing its annual apology for the Native Americans genocide and the enslavement of African-Americans.
Yeah this is really shameful, especially seeing as America never has an issue doing its annual apology for the Native Americans genocide and the enslavement of African-Americans.
King Kreole
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almost, but not quite. I facetiously used those examples to show the double standard being employed, not to deflect Japan's situation. I'm not even saying Japan is right or wrong to attempt to remove their stigma, i'm saying that it's hypocritical to chastise them when others are guilty of just as great, if not greater, crimes and aren't expected to perpetually apologize for them. We don't apply this standard across the board.I don't really care though. The world stage doesn't really work off of whats "fair"
Japan has US bases because if we pulled out, China and South Korea would drop their foot off in Tokyo's ass SO quickly
King Kreole
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Yeah for sure. Might is right in the world of international relations, so it's all about who has the juice. It just drives me crazy when the NY Times has the gall to post an article like that when there are still Confederate flags flying on government property in the US. Go spank your own unruly children before you try to spank your neighbour's. And honestly, Japan needs to be given the space to get over the negative elements of their past. They're like the anti-US in this regard.
Fam, this is the same shyt the Soviets did with the whole Whataboutism bullshyt. The Japanese won't even apologize for the comfort woman fukkery.
What else do you expect?
You saying the ENTIRE NYT can't post any articles about Japan until they solve confederate flags?
As if the NYT doesn't have an international segment?
What are you saying right now?
King Kreole
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Yeah exactly, and the Soviets were called out for bullshytting because they had millions of people starving to death in their streets and were cynically using the struggle of African-Americans for their own political benefit. The problem wasn't that the Soviets were lying, it's that they were in no moral position to be chastising anybody, especially for gains in the ideological war. My problem isn't even so much with the NY Times covering this, it's the tone of the article and how it allows us Westerners to gawk at someone else's problems when ours are even worse. It reads as if the Japanese are trying to get away with something, as opposed to having had spent the last 70 years with this guilt deeply imbedded into their national psyche. We don't expect white countries to constantly prostrate themselves in the face of their (many) historical atrocities, but we expect the Japanese to. That doesn't sit right with me. Historical revisionism is an important thing to keep vigilant about, but forcing the mental subordination of an entire country for things their government did a generation ago wouldn't fly if we were talking about Germany or Britain or the US. Japan has done more than any other country in terms of accepting guilt and coming to terms with it.
False.
Germany was DRAGGGGGGED over the coals. So was Italy.
What are you talking about here?
I admit, that yes, there is a campaign of propaganda to leverage talking points to issue proclamations of who controls the discussion. I get that, but the subject is japan, not the price of tea. You don't get to just shift the dialogue to every other concern when convenient.
King Kreole
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Germany stays trying to find ways to get that Holocaust stench off them. Germans are very sensitive of how they're perceived about it, and their modern attitude has an undercurrent of "Enough now!" not "We're still really sorry!". In fact, if you were to propose an annual apology to Israel for the holocaust, I guarantee you Germany would raise a bigger stink than Japan is. Modern Italy does little to no atonement for their actions under Mussolini's regime, but they didn't commit any atrocities on the scale of the holocaust, Imperial Japan's occupations or the atomic bomb.
The subject is Japan, and I believe there is a legitimate discourse taking place in Japan over how to integrate their past with their present and future, but the issue I have is when outside sources (US) start pontificating on the process and levying judgments when their hands are just as dirty. If I was Japanese, I wouldn't even consider US input until they come to terms with what they did to Japan. Americans are always trying to play moral police when their closet is chock full of skeletons.