After reading this NYT article on the Nagasaki bombing, U.S. was truly pathetic

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Who's caping for the people responsible for Japanese Imperialism?
You apparently.

This is how the world works.
We can talk about world peace but world powers are made by not just diplomacy but the threat of military action that is so insurmountable that its utterly suicide to even suggest otherwise.

Funny that even as an Aussie you take being "in the loop" for granted.
 

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Cape for imperialist racists because you hate imperialism and racism, brehs
Believe that America wasn't thoroughly racist and imperialistic, brehs.

Referring to those caping for Japan
I haven't seen one post in here caping for Japan or condoning the atrocities they committed. It's possibly to believe that Japan and America acted immorally.

We can talk about world peace but world powers are made by not just diplomacy but the threat of military action that is so insurmountable that its utterly suicide to even suggest otherwise.
No one is disputing the power America gained by dropping the atomic bomb, the claim is that it was a deeply immoral act.
 

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Believe that America wasn't thoroughly racist and imperialistic, brehs..

Where have I contended that America wasn't racist or imperialistic? All my posts in this thread are to the contrary but you do you
 

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Where have I contended that America wasn't racist or imperialistic? All my posts in this thread are to the contrary but you do you
:comeon: In the context of a discussion about the immorality of the US dropping the atomic bomb on Japan, I don't know how else to take this exchange:

Cape for imperialist racists because you hate imperialism and racism, brehs
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Germany had a nuke program.

Japan clearly was researching nuke programs

This is pre-cold war.

What are you getting at?

shyt happened because it happened.
Referring to those caping for Japan

Your posts in this thread have been prevaricating on this issue because you feel like Japan's crimes somehow warranted America's crime. You acknowledge America should not have dropped the bomb, but you claim that Japan cannot say the same. You are ready to condemn Japan for their crimes, yet will not condemn America for theirs. That's definition :cape:
 

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So if it was only military targets would you have a problem?
It would still be a questionable act given the circumstances (the firebombings having already taken place), but this hypothetical would be far more defendable than what actually happened.
 

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:comeon: In the context of a discussion about the immorality of the US dropping the atomic bomb on Japan, I don't know how else to take this exchange:





Your posts in this thread have been prevaricating on this issue because you feel like Japan's crimes somehow warranted America's crime. You acknowledge America should not have dropped the bomb, but you claim that Japan cannot say the same. You are ready to condemn Japan for their crimes, yet will not condemn America for theirs. That's definition :cape:
you keep using this word "crime" though
 

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yeah, war crime
What makes it a war crime?

The deadliest conflict in human history up to that point where entire civilian populations were being decimated for land grabs.

The US is lucky they never faced a domestic threat. That seems like good war strategy.

You know what WAR is, right?
 

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if you would read the article and the thread, its being argued that the war was already over and the bombs didn't need to be dropped
And thats a easy conclusion to come to 70years later but im sure it wasnt so cut and dry

Yall saying the million american lives theory is bullshyt and it may be... But zero americans died after the bomb dropped. We can all look at history with rose colored glases and blame america for america causing all that pain wit radiation poisoning and instant death, etc.

But bottom line is noone ever used thebomb before. No tests were done on humans fo see the after efx from the survivors; noone could see the future.

Im sure many generals saw it as just a bigger bomb... Which we still use today all day everyday...they just wanted to end the war and im not going to blame then for looking out for their country.

Imagine if they didnt use the bomb there... Someone would have eventually. Russia prolly if not us. Have you ever heard of a weapon BANNED from all countries to use? Im glad we used it to get it banned instead of some country that hated us getting to use it. Sue me.

Its nothing to brag about but we dropped one and told them to surrended but they wanted to surrender on their own terms. Nope. Sorry.

We told them #2 was coming and they ignored us , stood by and watched as we did it again. If the japa surrendered it wouldnt have happened but they had too much pride. I feel bad for all the people involved who were puppets for their governments. I dont care what kinda face ghe crew lf the enola gay make, noone wants to kill anyone let alone THOUSANDS of eomen and chikdren
 

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What makes it a war crime?

The deadliest conflict in human history up to that point where entire civilian populations were being decimated for land grabs.

The US is lucky they never faced a domestic threat. That seems like good war strategy.

You know what WAR is, right?
A good war strategy is different than what constitutes a moral strategy. Do you believe there is any action the US could have taken that would be considered a war crime, or were the circumstances such that any American action was beyond reproach because of the deadliness of the conflict? Do you even believe in the concept of a war crime?
 

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A good war strategy is different than what constitutes a moral strategy. Do you believe there is any action the US could have taken that would be considered a war crime, or were the circumstances such that any American action was beyond reproach because of the deadliness of the conflict? Do you even believe in the concept of a war crime?
war crimes are such a massive subject I don't even feel like wading into this.

Because in your mind, using nukes is never justified.
 

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war crimes are such a massive subject I don't even feel like wading into this.

Because in your mind, using nukes is never justified.
I think there are some circumstances in which using nuclear weapons could be justified, but I don't think what happened to Japan was one of them. But yeah, this is a massive subject and I'm not super interested in wading into it right now either.
 
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