Lol. Isn't there currently a migration crisis fuelled by post Arab spring conflicts that is bringing widespread discontent and anger throughout Europe? Millions have been displaced since 2011. People on this forum just have a weird need to fetishise African affairs in all sorts of ways but just end up exposing ignorance
Africans gon Afric: 'Ethnic cleansing under way' in South Sudan
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Frangala
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When you talk about 6 million people dying and the number being or surpassing casualties from WWII and not trying to let that history repeat itself in post-conflict countries. I don't think that fetishizing it, I think it's reminding people of the recent history and hoping not to repeat it.
Frangala
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My initial post highlighted the amount of conflict in that Great Lakes region is almost unparalleled in any other region of the world until you mentioned the Syrian crisis which was a fair point. I challenge you to find a conflict that has killed 6 million to 10 million people in a span of less than 10 years within the past 70 years (post WWII). You mentioned the Syrian crisis which the number of deaths does not even come close to what happened in the DRC/Central African region in the late 90s to 2003 during those years.
How is pointing out this in addition to what is happening in Burundi and what has been happening in South Sudan with the power struggle right now somehow fetishizing. It's calling it like it is. When you call it like it is and clear about the problem instead of trying to save face, you are more likely to solve the problems and learn from them than playing this game of "well there are conflicts in other parts of the world why aren't we critical of them?". Are you going to tell me we shouldn't be critical of African dictatorships because there are dictatorial regimes in other parts of the world like Russia?
How is pointing out this in addition to what is happening in Burundi and what has been happening in South Sudan with the power struggle right now somehow fetishizing. It's calling it like it is. When you call it like it is and clear about the problem instead of trying to save face, you are more likely to solve the problems and learn from them than playing this game of "well there are conflicts in other parts of the world why aren't we critical of them?". Are you going to tell me we shouldn't be critical of African dictatorships because there are dictatorial regimes in other parts of the world like Russia?
I am all for being critical of them. In fact, your clarification above shows me I was wrong to initially respond to your post the way I did.
We should be highly critical of a lot that's gone on, even individuals like kagame, museveni, and to a lesser extent, kabila, who get an easy ride would probably not be looked at so favourably by the west if there was more sustained scrutiny of their actions in the past.
My beef with people on this forum is a constant fetishisation of black/African affairs as somewhat unique and/or detached from general world power structures. I don't think I've made my point as clearly as I would like and I need to go to work so haven't got time to be looking for direct quotes to support my assertion lol
We should be highly critical of a lot that's gone on, even individuals like kagame, museveni, and to a lesser extent, kabila, who get an easy ride would probably not be looked at so favourably by the west if there was more sustained scrutiny of their actions in the past.
My beef with people on this forum is a constant fetishisation of black/African affairs as somewhat unique and/or detached from general world power structures. I don't think I've made my point as clearly as I would like and I need to go to work so haven't got time to be looking for direct quotes to support my assertion lol
thatrapsfan
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Eh, no conflict can be explained through single lens. Tribalism isnt compelling enough either. Tanzania for example, has way more ethnic groups than South Sudan and roughly even number of Muslims and Christians, yet is much more socially cohesive than its neighbours. Politics, history, etc, all play a role.
thatrapsfan
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Yall are on the same page it seems and @Frangala definitely isnt on of those posters who is unaware of wider dynamics. His posts on African affairs are great.
Southern Somalia is largely peaceful nowadays. Plus those dudes could've been from the North which has been peaceful since the mid 90's.
South Sudan is = Mogadishu in '91. Or Rwanda in the early 90's. A whole other level of fukkery.
thatrapsfan
Superstar
Dont overstate it breh, the South is not peaceful. Its not an all out warzone yes, but AS still controls a huge amount of rural territory and the hold the goverment and its allied militias have on it is very precarious. Somalia is stuck in a bad status quo politically for a very long time, while the politicians continue to be on a looting spree.
I don't know what region of Somalia these men were from. Even though they may be coming from such fractious and violent places, the overwhelming majority of black Sudanese I have come across are very similar to other east africans in that they're reserved and polite people. Somalis not so much... But I got love for the Malis dem.
Shabaab controls small pockets of South. Most of the South is quite stable.
The North has been stable for decades.
You saying we rude breh?
I'm not even gonna front I know exactly what you're talking about
thatrapsfan
Superstar
Shabab controls large tracts of rural land, they are not small pockets geographically. The further away you get from the major towns (Kismayo, Xamar, Baidoa) the more superifical the control is. Literally every other week, villages exchange hands when Ethiopia or other AMISOM countries decide to withdraw for whatever reason. They also maintain their capability to launch attacks in Xamar and other Southern cities. The country has zero chance to progress politically until they can be definitively defeated, and they are nowhere near that do not believe the headlines.
As far as the North yes its stable, but thats about it( and Galkacyo is worse than it has been in a decade). The status quo in North lends nothing to any sort of significant economic development for its people. Somalis in diaspora too often overstate how good it is back home. The mess of a political situation means nothing will significantly change in near future, if we're talking about actual quality of life for the population.