Africans and Inherited Behaviors

[Misreeya]

Whites didn't cause the Sokoto Caliphate to invade the Oyo Empire, contributing to a civil war in Yorubaland and the flooding of slave markets with Yoruba speakers

That happen throughout the world in many cultures, whether it is the Aztec empire, Romans, Greeks, among other raided and enslaved the local people. It is not specifically racial, but that was the customs back then, and we should not judge past history from our contemporary lense.

 

[Poitier]

He is right you actually see this behavior among many groups, as i have witness. The issue between Indian and Pakistan, and between Arabs especially pretty much put a dent on your theory. Question, have you traveled anywhere outside North America?

Those are interracial issues. India and Pakistan command far nor respect than Nigeria or Ethiopia.

 

[Poitier]

Yeah, i believe he is overreaching as well with his premise.

You're Coptic this thread isn't even relevant to you.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

You're Coptic this thread isn't even relevant to you.

Still African.

 

[Poitier]

Still African.

Nope, not genetically indigenous.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Nope, not genetically indigenous.

Isn't @Misreeya Sudanese Coptic? What do you mean not genetically indigenous? While Northern Sudanese may have significant admixture from Southern Arabia, they still have significant African indigenous admixture. If this was not the case then in studies Sudanese wouldn't be clustering with neighboring Africans.

 

[Poitier]

Isn't @Misreeya Sudanese Coptic? What do you mean not genetically indigenous? While Northern Sudanese may have significant admixture from Southern Arabia, they still have significant African indigenous admixture. If this was not the case then in studies Sudanese wouldn't be clustering with neighboring Africans.

If by significant, you mean less than half then sure but that doesn't fit my criteria.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

If by significant, you mean less than half then sure but that doesn't fit my criteria.

 

[Misreeya]

If by significant, you mean less than half then sure but that doesn't fit my criteria.

You are so contradictory Poitier, which is quite humorous at times. Here a reality check "my friend", without my people preserving the Coptic language mainly in churches in Egypt and North Sudan,

Sudan.(Kumma, temple of Amenhotep II,)

Reliefs of Thutmose III

That above would not be understood today whether its in Egypt or Northern Sudan today without the aid of the Coptic language. Nearly half of the monuments in Northern Sudan is written in ancient Egyptian language which the modern Coptic language is derived from

and the language was not deciphered in Dinka nor Nuer, nor Yoruba, nor Zulu or Oromo, Somali, Amharic or even Hausa. Although Hausa, Amharic, Somali, and Oromo are Afroasiatic languages, but those languages don't derive from the ancients. Only the Coptic language qualify, so a thank you for preserving the ancient language would suffice.



Cheers.

 

[Poitier]

You are so contradictory Poitier, which is quite humorous at times. Here a reality check "my friend", without my people preserving the Coptic language mainly in churches in Egypt and North Sudan,

Sudan.(Kumma, temple of Amenhotep II,)

That above would not be understood today whether its in Egypt or Northern Sudan today without the aid of the Coptic language. Nearly half of the monuments in Northern Sudan is written in ancient Egyptian language which the modern Coptic language is derived from

and the language was not deciphered in Dinka nor Nuer, nor Yoruba, nor Zulu or Oromo, Somali, Amharic or even Hausa. Although Hausa, Amharic, Somali, and Oromo are Afroasiatic languages, but those languages don't derive from the ancients. Only the Coptic language qualify, so a thank for preserving the language would suffice.



Cheers.

Lot of stuff preserved in latin and arabic not native to those people.....your point

 

[Misreeya]

Lot of stuff preserved in latin and arabic not native to those people.....your point

The difference is the Coptic or Ancient language Egyptian did not spread like those languages, nor was ancient Egypt or Coptic was a international language like Latin, which is derive from the Romans, nor Arabic which spread due to the islamic religion so it was confined geographically to what is now Egypt and parts of Northern Sudan. So your argument is a strawman argument, in other words it is kind of weak, and without a rudder. It is the same with languages such as Persian or Farsi, it is confined in present day Iran, and certain ethnic groups in Afghanistan, it is not wide spread, which is a ancestral language in that region.

 

[Poitier]

The difference is the Coptic or Ancient language Egyptian did not spread like those languages, nor was ancient Egypt or Coptic was a international language like Latin, which is derive from the Romans, nor Arabic which spread due to the islamic religion so it was confined geographically to what is now Egypt and parts of Northern Sudan. So your argument is a strawman argument, in other words it is kind of weak, and without a rudder. It is the same with languages such as Persian or Farsi, it is confined in present day Iran, and certain ethnic groups in Afghanistan, it is not wide spread, which is a ancestral language in that region.

dna says copts are iberian sea people deal with it

 

[Misreeya]

dna says copts are iberian sea people deal with it

Hm, I don't know about that one. Here is what i found.

Copts[edit]
The Copts of Egypt have distinct genetics from the Arab majority, with a lower degree of Middle Eastern ancestry and higher levels of North African and sub-Saharan African genetics. A 2008 study of a Copts of Egyptian descent (though living in Sudan) found relatively high frequencies of the Sub-Saharan Haplogroup B. According to the study, the presence of Sub-Saharan haplogroups may also be consistent with the historical record in which southern Egypt was colonized by Nilotic populations during the early state formation.[43]

A 2015 study by Dobon et al. identified an ancestral autosomal component of West Eurasian origin that is common to many modern Afroasiatic-speaking populations in Northeast Africa, including Somalis and Sudanese. Known as the Coptic component, it peaks among Egyptian Copts who settled in Sudan over the past two centuries; but it is also found among Copts living in Northern and Southern Egypt. Copts also formed a separated group in PCA, a close outlier to other Egyptians, Northeast Africans and Middle East populations. The Coptic component evolved out of a main Northeast African and Middle Eastern ancestral component that is shared by other Egyptians and also found at high frequencies among other Afro-Asiatic populations in Northeast Africa (~70%), such as Somalis and Sudanese. The scientists suggest that this points to a common origin for the general population of Egypt. They also associate the Coptic component with Ancient Egyptian ancestry, without the later Arabian influence that is present among other Egyptians.[44]

I believe you are looking at the wrong places.

DNA history of Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


A simple DNA search would had suffice.

 

[Poitier]

Hm, I don't know about that one. Here is what i found.



I believe you are looking at the wrong places.

DNA history of Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


A simple DNA search would had suffice.

here you go

The genetics of East African populations: a Nilo-Saharan component in the African genetic landscape : Scientific Reports

 

[Misreeya]

here you go

The genetics of East African populations: a Nilo-Saharan component in the African genetic landscape : Scientific Reports

Again the same article kind of support my side of our debate.

The North African/Middle Eastern genetic component is identified especially in Copts. The Coptic population present in Sudan is an example of a recent migration from Egypt over the past two centuries. They are close to Egyptians in the PCA, but remain a differentiated cluster, showing their own component at k = 4 (Fig. 3). Copts lack the influence found in Egyptians from Qatar, an Arabic population. It may suggest that Copts have a genetic composition that could resemble the ancestral Egyptian population, without the present strong Arab influence.

So, the sword cuts both ways dear!