Africans and Inherited Behaviors

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An industrialized Europe being very powerful is not far fetched. Especially when they had stuff like machine guns, gunboats, repeating rifles, and freaking bombers(for last resort).

Yeah, I agree West Africans and Northeast Africans should have made efforts to learn this technology as they been around Europeans longer, had more complex/organized states, etc. And not be obsessed with crap like alcohol and other trivial shyt. But as for anything other Africans? It was way too damn late to try and learn anything. Plus we forget most Africans outside of Muslims were illiterate.

True, but Europe was only able to industrialize because of the free labor they enjoyed due to African miscalculation.
In the 1400s, if West Africans say no to trading humans, don't let Europeans penetrate the interior, or trade for technical knowledge....do you truly believe we end up with the same outcome? Not I.
 

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True, but Europe was only able to industrialize because of the free labor they enjoyed due to African miscalculation.
In the 1400s, if West Africans say no to trading humans, don't let Europeans penetrate the interior, or trade for technical knowledge....do you truly believe we end up with the same outcome? Not I.
Indeed. This is the very true for Muslim Africans. They were LITERATE. They were apart of the Islamic golden age. They literally had a head start compared to other Africans. And they knew about Europe(and also hated them more) and been there. They knew about the sciences and had a knowledge of it. They should have at least been "curious" about industrialization especially after the fall of Songhay.

But Europeans would have penetrated the interior either way. Europeans like the Portuguese long sailed to the coast of Southern Africa.

Edit: Oh yea diseases.
 

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How on Earth would Africans not have let Europe into their interior?

Let me guess, your dumbass thinks Europeans are immune to disease, first and foremost.
Second, all of this drumming on about European warfare is meaningless as if that somehow helps navigating African terrain lol. Ever heard of Vietnam? You are doing way too much.

What you, dumbphuck, dont realize is that "black" is a recent concept almost entirely developed by Europeans.

You really thought you were doing something with this talking point, huh? lol.
Not selling humans for commodities does not need to be connected to the idea of race to realize it is detrimental to growth.

Look, you're essentially a "beta male" with a fragile ego who clearly attaches self worth to the concept of slavery.

Yet you bow down to White men in your own land while romanticizing their come up :dead:


Do you know how goddamn big Africa is??? You seem to think its some ball park which can be "defended" against superior armies with superior weaponry??

Not even the smaller regions within Africa are integrated :heh:
 

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400 years ago one couldnt traverse the continent with any such ease.

Why do you keep talking about the WHOLE continent when not even the smaller regions are integrated to this day? :heh:
 

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Take a look at this map genius, and figure out why that would be the case. I genuinely want to see if you can figure this out on your own.

Let me see if you can grasp the concept of proportion.

Now you are switching up your argument :deadmanny:

Asia is larger than Africa but has less arable land :pachaha:
 

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Huh? Be honest. Do you know anything about Africa? In fact, do you even have a GED? Be honest. The gap in knowledge is stark. I feel like I am arguing with someone who could barely point out three african countries on a map. If so, this discussion would be entirely pointless.

Be accountable for once, ODMela.....let me guess West Africa is highly integrated? :mjlol:
 

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LOL Islam is the reason Africans are educated even though Muslims would make the trip to places like Ethiopia and Timbucktu to seek knowledge. LOL wonderful. Both an uneducated yank and a mentally enslaved horner in this lame discussion.
What the heck are you talking about? This post is coming off as someone who is barely literate. Timbuktu was ISLAMIC. It was founded by Muslim Tuaregs and then developed further by Muslim Mandinkas. It was widely known as an Islamic scholar city. What are you talking about? And African Muslims did not go to Ethiopia for knowledge. The heck did you get that from? They went to cities like Timbuktu.
 

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By PROPORTION.

Lord of mercy, MOST of Africa's land is neither Arable, has access to water, nor can it be easily traversed. Why do you think there is such a large presence of drought resistant foods like Cassava in the first place? I am not entirely sure you grasp the concept of ARABLE land. That not just grass. This is what you need to understand, civilization manifests itself in areas with access to water, in order to make land even. Thats why large expansive states existed in regions like East Africa and Egypt, the latter almost entirely being a result of the presence of the Nile. BUT, because of Africa IS SO fukkING BIG it meant that it was nigh impossible for any one defacto ruler to truly gain a foothold of significant swathes of the continent. The EUROPEANS were the first. The advancements made on their own continent (due to favorable conditions and rapid development) meant that these innovations could be applied to smaller, more fractures, less expansive cultures and civilisations. And thats exactly what happened. In fact, its actually testament to Africa's reslience, that it was actually the last continent that Europe was able to gain signficant foothold in. By the time the Berlin Conference even happened, the British had been in control of India for about 200+ years, they had been in control (and lost) North America, Southern and Central America had not only been divided up by the Europeans with the natives extinct, and Hong Kong was under British control.

ok Mela:pachaha:
 

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All he said was non-Muslims were illiterate and had less contact with outsiders nothing about intelligence:heh:
 

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No, Timbucktu was already a centre of trade within the region, it was only after the establishment of its Islamic university in the 13th century did Timbucktu actually begin to expand in great numbers. The very etymology is proof of that genius. Timbucktu predates Islam as a signficant trade centre in Africa, Islam supplemented its growth but it still had significant presence prior to it. Dont even try and sit here and pretend as if Islam was some kind of "educating" force in Africa clown, otherwise you're just as pathetic as the fools who try to convince us that Christianity "civilised" Africans. Islam was the force which gave breathe to expansion in the northern regions during the middle ages but civilization presence predates Islam so get the fukk out of here with that crap.

Timbuktu does not predate Islam. What the fukk are you talking about? I DARE you to find me a source that states Timbuktu had a non-islamic population prior to those Tuaregs finding it. I dare you. Even if Timbuktu existed prior to Islam, its sources/writing history came during the spread of Islam. This is common sense.

SHOW US non-Muslims outside of Ethiopia, Ancient Egypt and Ancient Nubia have well educated/literate cities pre-colonization. I dare you.
 

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Motherfukker did you not read a single thing I just said. "Misuse" of African land has been happening due to the post colonial urbanization effect and population boom and yet you're arguing about colonization. I just...huh? You're not even keeping track of your own argument.

Also, what kind of loser has 70000 posts on an internet forum? There is no way you're gainfully employed when you both have so much time and seem to be so lacking in critical thinking skills.

ok Mela:pachaha:
 

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Why would I? The bolded is entirely my point. Didnt your bumfukk founder run to Ethiopia to escape persecution???

I am not entirely sure if there is any point you're making which isnt some bullshyt, mental slave Islamic fanservice. Civilisational presence existed prior to Islam. And thats just in term of written texts. Oral histories, complex traditions, heirachy and metallurgy was still present in numerous West African civilisations such as the Ashanti, the Yoruba and Benin. Yes, it is undeniable that that Islam was one of the principle spreaders of both culture, arts and science throughout the middle ages. But so was, Christianity. And, as far as I am aware, there is nothing really seperating you from the typical cac who likes to claim that Europe brought advancement to Africa. I mean, both statements are equivalent to each other. TBH its the reason why I find Islam dikkriders/arab worshippers even more insidious than their c00n counterparts.
I'm waiting.

Make a credible argument or leave this thread.
 
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This is more true than you may know.

Ethnic tension is naturally biological (preference and prejudice essentially) but this white acceptance bullshyt is completely manufactured. The whites worked extremely hard to create this situation and It too has had path altering biological effects mainly with some extremely detrimental psychological effects.

This is actually backed up by scientific data.

Yep, thats it.
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