Africans accuse African Americans of "appropriating" their culture (legitimate criticism?)

[IllmaticDelta]

my thing is if the term "black" applies to Somalis (or whatever group) than the phrase "black excellence" can be used by them

Read below

 

[DrX]

only those hotep nikkas do that

 

[BigMan]

nikka are you being serious right now? This shyt was just explained to you. Point blank, NONE of that shyt would happen without African Americans. She is clearly benefiting off of African Americans by having her cultural markers in the form of street signs in Minneapolis. "Blackexcellence" is AAVE that she is using to identify with African Americans while separating herself from us at the same time by separating herself along the lines of her ethnicity and culture. She is obviously being a hypocrite here by telling African Americans that they're not African and have no right to speak on African affairs yet she claims African American culture and it's benefits. What the fukk are you confused about nikka? Are you really this fukking obtuse?

i'm not convinced that African Americans were the first to put "black" and "excellence" and i'm don't see the connection between the City of Minneapolis naming street signs after Somalis to the work of African Americans. the only way i see you having a problem with it is if you don't consider Somalis black

 

[Deluuxe]

This thread

This is what you Afrocentrics get for associating everything you do to Africa that doesn't have a damn thing to do with Africa. Negro can't tell you where in Africa he's from but his melanin keep the acoustics of Africa so that it comes out in Jazz.

 

[Stone Cold]

hamites

 

[BocaRear]

Somalis consider themselves black Africans but not bantus, they're a different tribe of people. Any Somali on that" " is not to be taken seriously,
If Somalis aren't black then what are they?

 

[K.O.N.Y]

I notice some Africans pull the "you aren't African" schtick especially when an African American disagrees with them.

For example,

This African girls said this on Twitter:



To which this African American girl said this:












I think her rebuttal is a sound argument, but apparently another African girl (who has 10,000 followers) jumps in and attacks her identity:






So the African American girl schools her:










So now African Americans are not African and can't speak on Africa, according to this user And this is a single instance of a few attacks of Black Americans THAT I SAW JUST TODAY Are all Africans like this? No. Is anti Black American mentality a real thing? Yes

Ironically this same user uses AAVE and talks about Black American culture and uses out memes with no fukks given

Its not a popular opinion on this board. But the classic Paul Mooney quote applies to Africans and caribbeans as well

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Gotta slightly disagree here. People know it's our shyt, they just don't give a fukk about disrespecting us.

Yes and no. Many things from Afram culture that are influencing them are as old as 40-100 years ago in origin. For the more contemporary influences, you have a point. The whole thing about Aframs not having a distinct culture is mainly due to it being so widespread/popular that it doesn't stand out as distinctly Afram to some people.

To elaborate more on this....here is an old post of mine from the thread

Refuting the myth that Black American music/culture is "Europeanized".

Thanks for educating me on this.

I'm one of those that always felt that most black-american music is a bit too Europeanized. Im sorry but that's the way it sounds to my ears when i hear it


Not saying you got your culture from whites. Just that IN COMPARISON to that of caribbean blacks and some black latinos, African-American music/culture/customs tend to be have more influence from european cultures. But in the end they all have high dosages of european culture in them because they were all colonized. Thus the scarlett letter we all wear with our English/Spanish/Portuguese/French last names

It is the other way around. The European culture is being influenced by black and non whites. Of course they don't like to admit it.

Me:

Exactly! What many people are forgetting is that Black American music is/was the most globally appropriated music and the most influential region on popular global music outside of Black America/American South, is the pop music of the British Isles (Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin all the way down to Adele) which is mainly based on Black American music. This blurred the lines between Black American music and global pop so instead of sounding like real British Isles music




you got white UK folks sounding like this



because they've been listening to this

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Me:

Take for example the white artist, Hozier

When I first heard his song, "Amen", I knew right away he was trying to tap into that Gospel-Blues-Negro Spiritual sound







And then I read up on him...

Everything You Need to Know About Hozier

Irish origins: Don't let the Americana-sounding, gospel-crooning tracks off his record fool you: Hozier's not from the Deep South or any place that banks on bluegrass and classic country. He's from Ireland's County Wicklow, which sits just above Dublin. He was also born on St. Patrick's Day, which is a point everyone probably makes when they meet the poor guy. (We can't pick up on the accent when he sings, either.)

Hozier's inherited blues roots: Hozier grew up with an appreciation for traditional Irish music, but blues was the soundtrack in the Hozier-Byrne house. His dad played the blues in Dublin when Hozier was a kid, and he followed in his footsteps as a music student at Trinity College before dropping out to record the demos that would eventually lead to his big break. The two EPs he dropped prior to Hozier showcase some of the standout tracks from the album ("Take Me To Church," "Cherry Wine," etc.), so fans have had their hands on versions of these songs for about a year now.

Everything You Need to Know About Hozier

There is a lot of Americana and blues in your music, but you're from Ireland.

I was essentially raised on blues music. My dad was a blues musician around Dublin when I was a baby, so the only music I would listen to growing up was John Lee Hooker and Muddy Waters. It's music that feels like home to me. Then I discovered Motown and gospel and Delta blues and jazz, so a huge amount of my influences are all African-American music.

Do your influences affect your lyrics?

Blues is a very physical music. It's often about sex, whether it's through innuendo or not. It's often about the relationship between two people. So in that sense, in a lot of my songs, there's a lot to do with the interaction between two people.

Q&A: Irish Musician Hozier on Gay Rights, Sexuality, & Good Hair

Buzzworthy: In “Take Me To Church,” I could definitely hear a lot of choral background training. How much of that consciously goes into what you’re creating now?

Andrew Hozier-Byrne: Quite a bit, to be fair. I love the sound of voices singing together, congregational singing, anything like gospel, or folk, or sea shanties. I spent quite a bit of time in choirs growing up, and in the world-touring music group, Anúna. It’s a sound with very rich texture, voices singing together.

BW: I also heard a very American-style gospel singing. Was that intentional, too?

AHB: Absolutely. My influences are heavily based in the roots of African-American music, so gospel, blues, Delta blues. [What you heard] would absolutely be gospel. I was raised on blues. My dad is a blues musician in Dublin, so all the music I heard as a child was Chicago blues, stuff like that.

5 Questions With Hozier, The Irish Singer-Songwriter Who's About To Take You To Church




Why Is Hozier's 'Take Me To Church' So Popular?

I spent a few hours reading this article and following the links. I don’t know how long you spent writing the piece but reading it was enjoyable. When I first heard this song I couldn’t help but wonder if the songwriter had spent time in the U.S. South listening to Baptist choirs. Why? The phrase “Take Me to Church” and the melody of the “Amen, amen, amen, amen”, that’s stuff I heard growing up in the south and attending predominately black churches. I don’t know why but I like idea of some Irish guy being influenced by gospel music.

Why Is Hozier's 'Take Me To Church' So Popular?


This kind of thing is blurring the lines of certain ethnic sounds/musical approaches belonging to certain ethnic groups. Similar to how Puerto Ricans/Nuyoricans adopted so much Afro-Cuban music (most of the roots of Salsa) that many aren't aware of the debt Puerto Ricans owe to Cuban music.

It's the same reason the clave (afro cuban) beat is still seen as "ethnic"





but the backbeat (afroamerican) isn't because it's so ubiquitous, most people aren't aware of it's ethnic origins or how it came to dominate global pop. They probably think it comes from 'white" music

"Jazz, blues, and their sacred cousin, gospel music, all have a rhythm-device in common: the back-beat. Indeed, the back-beat, a heavy emphasis on two and four, is a hallmark of African American music and remains dominant as a rhythmic device into the 21st century. An interesting note about the back-beat with respect to gospel music is the flipping of rhythmic emphasis. In the then-popular waltz form, the emphasis was usually ONE-two-three, ONE-two-three. But in gospel, when three-four time is used, as it frequently is, the practictioners usually clap on two and three, thus getting a one-TWO-THREE, one-TWO-THREE rhythm. The back-beat.

None of the other popular musics of the African diaspora (whether from the Caribbean, Central America, or South America) employs a heavy back-beat unless the particular form in question, such as salsa, reggae, or soca, is a form that was significantly influenced by Black music from America. This absence of the back-beat is distinctive especially given that most African diaspora music heavily uses drums, or quasi-drum instruments (steel pans for example). This is a curious development that is made even more curious by the fact that for the most part the drums of the diaspora remained hand-drums and it was in the United States that the mechanical drum, or the drum kit, commonly called the trap drum or traps, was developed. So the place where the drum had the least continuity in terms of usage and the direct retention of African poly-rhythms is the place where the back-beat was emphasized and the drum kit was developed!"


Clapping On Two and Four

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Somalis consider themselves black Africans but not bantus, they're a different tribe of people. Any Somali on that" " is not to be taken seriously,
If Somalis aren't black then what are they?

Dark skinned whites?





























j/k Some Somalis told me they identify as "red people" or something along those lines back in Africa

 

[J-Nice]

i'm not convinced that African Americans were the first to put "black" and "excellence" and i'm don't see the connection between the City of Minneapolis naming street signs after Somalis to the work of African Americans. the only way i see you having a problem with it is if you don't consider Somalis black

No disrespect breh, but no one was trying to convince of you shyt homie.You're a Caribbean breh and I already knew you felt some type of way and wasn't trying to hear or understand the points @Poitier @IllmaticDelta and myself were making. After seeing you show your ass in that Latino hiphop thread and in this one too, I already knew you were on some fukk shyt. But the points made in this thread don't make em any less true just because you disagree.

 

[BigMan]

No disrespect breh, but no one was trying to convince of you shyt homie.You're a Caribbean breh and I already knew you felt some type of way and wasn't trying to hear or understand the points @Poitier @IllmaticDelta and myself were making. After seeing you show your ass in that Latino hiphop thread and in this one too, I already knew you were on some fukk shyt. But the points made in this thread don't make em any less true just because you disagree.

I don't even know who you are bruh why are you following me . Go study IllmaticDelta and learn to articulate yourself and provide evidence to what you say

 

[J-Nice]

I don't even know who you are bruh why are you following me . Go study IllmaticDelta and learn to articulate yourself and provide evidence to what you say

Funny you talkin this bytch shyt but quoting me left and right in the latino hiphop thread crying about Caribbeans not getting any recognition for hiphop

"But, but But, What about us" ass nikka How about you go back to school and take some reading comprehension classes you retarded ass fukk nikka

 

[BigMan]

Funny you talkin this bytch shyt but quoting me left and right in the latino hiphop thread crying about Caribbeans not getting any recognition for hiphop

"But, but But, What about us" ass nikka How about you go back to school and take some reading comprehension classes you retarded ass fukk nikka

You've obviously upset because I insulted your intellect. I'm sure IllmaticDelta can help you articulate yourself better if you ask him

and wtf is your dumb ass talking about ? Go follow someone else kid

 

[keond]

Yall still talking about the topic, that bedwench won

 

[J-Nice]

You've obviously upset because I insulted your intellect. I'm sure IllmaticDelta can help you articulate yourself better if you ask him

and wtf is your dumb ass talking about ? Go follow someone else kid

My dude what are you talking about? Following you where? It's like you reach new levels of retard with every post you make. Take that L and kim.