African American woman gives tour of her house in Africa

[Nemesis]

Strawman. At no point did I say it was okay for other groups to disrespect and exploit Africans, nor is it something people are silent on.



That's not correct. When you're in a position where people depend on you to feed and educate their family, you hold power over them.

Fam .... you implied that money would give you a position of power in the community , if that wasnt your intent then fine

But your assertion is moot point , why do you have to be mindful in Africa were the same point could apply anywhere else where you provide for your family ....

 

[Nemesis]

If you mean AAs should get back to Africa and live amongst random people in the village, then I disagree AAs and DOSs at this point are their own ethnicity and Tribe.(And should be recognized by every government as such.) Where ever we go in Africa we should live together and build communities centered around our unique identity. It's safer for us that way. As long as there is mutual respect it's all love.

stupid

 

[Crayola Coyote]

Yeah that happens. My folks have a place in Liberia and people try to do some trifling shyt . Had a aunt that we trusted stole 30k from us to build a house over there for herself. You gotta know the people and you gotta know how your family over there operate too. This is a 3rd world country so you gotta remember people will do anything to get something.

 

[Samori Toure]

What you're saying isn't clear. It was put to me that those returning should build a nice house for the natives when returning home.

I'm saying that the people returning home do not have a responsibility to do that. Is that something you have a problem with?

This is what you wrote:

"...At the end of the day we have had to suffer as well. It is not our responsibility to give half of what we have, but in the spirit of moving forward it is important to treat one another with respect and compassion."

African American woman gives tour of her house in Africa

That is what you wrote. I asked what land are you giving? Because it looks like nothing is being given to anybody. They are buying the land. Second of all if you are saying that the land belongs to the native Africans then my question to you: is what happened to the lands that were stripped away from AAs ancestors after they were enslaved? Because using the laws of inheritance then that land should still belong to Africans in the diaspora. If the land was claimed by the people that were not captured, then they are technically on somebody else's land.

 

[Crayola Coyote]

White people trying to ruin the thread

 

[godliness]

stupid

 

[Umoja]

Fam .... you implied that money would give you a position of power in the community , if that wasnt your intent then fine

But your assertion is moot point , why do you have to be mindful in Africa were the same point could apply anywhere else where you provide for your family ....

I didn't imply that, I stated it outright.

I don't know if living in the west has made you take some shyt for granted but the conditions differ greatly. Job opportunity, free education, and a healthcare system even if poor.

The same point can't be made elsewhere in the world. They often are and the result is the support systems and labour laws that protect you. They're not perfect which is the result of many issues being argued.

In Africa, there are less checks against wealth desparity which means the people are more dependant on those with money and have less protection against exploitation.

This is what you wrote:

"...At the end of the day we have had to suffer as well. It is not our responsibility to give half of what we have, but in the spirit of moving forward it is important to treat one another with respect and compassion."

African American woman gives tour of her house in Africa

That is what you wrote. I asked what land are you giving? Because it looks like nothing is being given to anybody. They are buying the land. Second of all if you are saying that the land belongs to the native Africans then my question to you: is what happened to the lands that were stripped away from AAs ancestors after they were enslaved? Because using the laws of inheritance then that land should still belong to Africans in the diaspora. If the land was claimed by the people that were not captured, then they are technically on somebody else's land.

I have no beef with you but at the same time I'm not going to waste my time entertaining bullshyt

Read the exchange in its entirety and get back to me. Someone argued that Africans in the diaspora returning home should also buy homes for the natives. That isn't something I'm in agreement with because I don't think we owe them one of what we have. You can read my others reasons in the posts that follow.

You're going off on a tangent because you can't appreciate nuance. "How can he be for Africans returning home and be critical of the attitude they show when living there". They're seperate issues.

 

[Grizzly]

Ghana seems like the move

 

[Samori Toure]

I didn't imply that, I stated it outright.

I don't know if living in the west has made you take some shyt for granted but the conditions differ greatly. Job opportunity, free education, and a healthcare system even if poor.

The same point can't be made elsewhere in the world. They often are and the result is the support systems and labour laws that protect you. They're not perfect which is the result of many issues being argued.

In Africa, there are less checks against wealth desparity which means the people are more dependant on those with money and have less protection against exploitation.



I have no beef with you but at the same time I'm not going to waste my time entertaining bullshyt

Read the exchange in its entirety and get back to me. Someone argued that Africans in the diaspora returning home should also buy homes for the natives. That isn't something I'm in agreement with because I don't think we owe them one of what we have. You can read my others reasons in the posts that follow.

You're going off on a tangent because you can't appreciate nuance. "How can he be for Africans returning home and be critical of the attitude they show when living there". They're seperate issues.

There is no such thing as free education in the USA. Somebody, homeowners mostly, pay for it. Second of all you don't even want to stick by what you wrote. This World doesn't owe anybody anything. Things are earned. AAs earned everything they ever got in the USA.

 

[im_sleep]

No. Not that I have seen.

The only significant cultural aspects from West Africa that AAs seem to have retained were from the ethnic groups (Mende, Mandingos, Temne, Susu, Fulani, Wolof, etc) from the rice growing regions, notably Sierra Leone, Liberia, Guinea-Bissau, Senegal, Gambia and Guinea. That is who the Geechee Gullah people along the Geechee Gullah Corridor in the USA are largely descended from. However, AAs connections to the Mende people of Sierra Leone is the most obvious, which stands to reason because the English focused on purchasing them during slavery because of their knowledge of tidal rice growing and indigo. South Carolina planters paid a higher price to get the slaves that came from Sierra Leone, so it is no mystery as to why so many AAs come back to the Mende people in Sierra Leone.

Gullah Geechee Cultural Heritage Corridor | Where Gullah Geechee Culture Lives
https://glc.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/bance Island in Sierra leone.pdf
https://glc.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/South Carolina Rice Plantations.pdf
https://gondobaymangafoundation.org/2007/03/sierra-leone-draws-americans-seeking-slave-roots/
Gullah, descendants of African slaves in South Carolina who haven't abandoned their cultural roots - Face2Face Africa

It is through the rice culture people of West Africa that the USA got most of its music, southern foods, some crops, folk stories (breh rabbit, tortise and the hare, row-row-row your boat, etc.), ring shout and Islam. So African Americans have always known where their ancestors were from and current day AAs DNA takes them right back to North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia were the Gullah Geechee are; but a lot of AAs renounced that shyt decades ago.






Oddly enough most slaves taken from Ghana and for that matter Nigeria ended up in the Caribbean and in South America, but for whatever reason Ghana focused heavily on AAs. Just to be clear there were some slaves taken from Ghana that were taken to the USA, but those were probably from Akan tribes like the Brong from Central Ghana or Mande tribes like Bissa or Dyula (although the Dyula are not really a tribe) and others from the Muslim North in Ghana. The people in Northern Ghana were likely taken as prisoners of war by the Dagomba people who waged war against them in order to pay tribute to the Ashanti; who had defeated the Dagomba in an earlier war.

Dagomba

I believe the Chesapeake region got the most Akan tribes, not enough to be a “dominate” culture, but enough to have some kind of influence. Akan names were very common for those who kept African names.

 

[Umoja]

There is no such thing as free education in the USA. Somebody, homeowners mostly, pay for it. Second of all you don't even want to stick by what you wrote. This World doesn't owe anybody anything. Things are earned. AAs earned everything they ever got in the USA.

You're now splicing together two different arguments. One is focused on what is owed and the other is focused on who holds power in a relationship.

I am standing by what I wrote. Pointing out the different conditions people live in and how that plays a role in the power dynamics is not tantamount to saying those in a position of power owe those with less half of what they have.

I already said that Africans in the diaspora earned what they have. Go back and read my posts. Again, I don't entertain people realising they've fukked up and then repeating my points as if it is something they are arguing against.

I made it clear that my issue is with failing to treat the natives with respect and dignity. I also made it clear that I'm not of the belief that it necessitates building homes for the natives and giving them 1 of 1 you had. I made it clear that Africans in the diaspora had to struggle to get what they have and just giving things to people would send the wrong message.

What is your issue. Are you trying to save face or do you have a point that isn't a waste of my time.

 

[Samori Toure]

You're now splicing together two different arguments. One is focused on what is owed and the other is focused on who holds power in a relationship.

I am standing by what I wrote. Pointing out the different conditions people live in and how that plays a role in the power dynamics is not tantamount to saying those in a position of power owe those with less half of what they have.

I already said that Africans in the diaspora earned what they have. Go back and read my posts. Again, I don't entertain people realising they've fukked up and then repeating my points as if it is something they are arguing against.

I made it clear that my issue is with failing to treat the natives with respect and dignity. I also made it clear that I'm not of the belief that it necessitates building homes for the natives and giving them 1 of 1 you had. I made it clear that Africans in the diaspora had to struggle to get what they have and just giving things to people would send the wrong message.

What is your issue. Are you trying to save face or do you have a point that isn't a waste of my time.

You are the one that spliced together those posts. Are you not reading what you have quoted and what you have written? Are you retarded or something?

 

[im_sleep]

PS: Gullah and Bahamians have a lot of similarities, so i believe that the Gullah have something close to junkanoo.

Ironically Junkanoo in the US wasn’t a Gullah thing. That was a North Carolina/Virginia thing. The last known festivals were in North Carolina in the early 1900’s. There has been revitalization efforts the last few years tho which is pretty cool.
http://nccoast.com/see-and-do/histo...cle_0f531921-80e6-57e1-99f3-2cb3ab96b95d.html

 

[Umoja]

You are the one that spliced together those posts. Are you not reading what you have quoted and what you have written? Are you retarded or something?

This is going around in circles. You're not providing arguments. You're doing a spin job and trying to repackage my statements as your argument.

It's clear that you stepped into the fray with thd incorrect view that I was arguing that Africans in the diaspora owed Africans on the continent half of what they have, when that was the complete opposite of what I was saying.

Your own arrogance is continuing this conversation. Just admit you fukked and kedp it moving.

 

[GodinDaFlesh]

No, they don’t like us. And no, they don’t appreciate us moving there and appropriating their land. I wish her the best, but she better stay frosty


Ex-Detroit Activist & Sister Slain in Ghana

Jeannette Salters of Detroit got involved in activism in the early 1970s, and it was that activism that led her to discovering her roots and moving to Ghana, as well as changing her name to Mamelena Diop. Along with Diop, other Detroiters moved to Ghana to reclaim their roots.

Detroit is now mourning the loss of one of their own. Diop and her sister, Nzinga Janna, were both found murdered near their home in Ghana. According to Ghanian online news site, Diop was 75 and her sister was 60 at the time of death. So far, two men have been arrested in connection to the murders.

“I feel terrible about what happened,” said her son, Greg Salters of Detroit. “It’s a tragedy. Words can’t even explain how I feel about my mom being taken away from her home, murdered and put in a shallow grave 300 feet from her home.”

Salters family says she was killed because people wanted the land she acquired from the government in Ghana.

“Some locals decided they wanted to take the land from them,” he said. “My mom went to court over that” and won.


“I guess the locals decided they were going to take matters into their own hands,” he said. “And they decided to abduct and murder them.”

The sisters went missing last Tuesday, and while searching their home, blood was found, as well as the object used to kill them.

“She loved that place,” said Diop’s daughter Cheryl Salters. “She loved Africa. The people were nice.”

The family is trying to raise money through GoFundMe to ship the sisters’ remains back to Detroit.

“My mother was very articulate, very into herbs and holistic medicine, eating natural,” said Cheryl Salters.

Breh one tragedy, which could have happened to anyone African or not, doesn't prove that Africans hate AAs.