African-American Slaves & West Africa - History Books are Lying (pt 1 & 2)

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Exactly, India was colonized they still speak their langusges and follow their religion, Amerindian people stil speak their languages and eat their foods and plenty of other folks still follow their traditions despite colonialism or slavery. where are the culture, the languages and traditions of these native black americans

Most AA's claiming their native - have no proof other than a relative said they were. They haven't even did their family trees to see who their people were. Most if they have only know the history of one grandparent or one side of their family.

They claim they are on the Dawes Rolls or family has tribal membership -- or they could have membership if they wanted - and so on.

But, that can also mean if they were - they could have been enslaved.

My maternal family said the said thing cause we all certain "features" or "traits" - many didn't attach to being of African descent. Such as light and different color eye, sandy brown hair -- and the famous long thin/fine/wavy hair texture.

I found out they are very light and had those "traits" not because they had "native" blood/dna - cause of WHITE blood/dna.
 

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breh were you raised with hatred to jamaicans or other Caribbeans?:whoa:

talking to two naija women born and raised in canada and the things they told me what their parents told them if they brought home a Jamaican man:demonic:

No. I was raised to regard Jamaicans as my long-lost cousins. But my parents DID make fun of rastas, while loving Bob Marley's music. People are complex.
 

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Nigerians dont “like” anyone who isnt apart of their tribe lol. :mjlol:

I do have a question about Nigeria though. Many state that Nigeria wasn't a country during the TransAtlantic Slave Trade - and therefore their ancestors didn't sell slaves.
But, that isn't true.

I saw "Lagos, Onim" in many of the records on Slave Voyages.

Here's one of many: Voyage Information

Timeline: Eko - Onim - Lagos - Lagos - City of Empire
Badagry - Wikipedia
Badagry, Nigeria -- One of the First Slave Port on the African West Coast -- Courtesy of The Freeman Institute...

Do they not know this? I thought they did - cause it's one of the things they say online when they want to be mean. The whole we sold you thing.

According to 23&me - I have no Nigerian DNA - but I know many other AA's do.
 

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I do have a question about Nigeria though. Many state that Nigeria wasn't a country during the TransAtlantic Slave Trade - and therefore their ancestors didn't sell slaves.
But, that isn't true.

I saw "Lagos, Onim" in many of the records on Slave Voyages.

Here's one of many: Voyage Information

Timeline: Eko - Onim - Lagos - Lagos - City of Empire
Badagry - Wikipedia
Badagry, Nigeria -- One of the First Slave Port on the African West Coast -- Courtesy of The Freeman Institute...

Do they not know this? I thought they did - cause it's one of the things they say online when they want to be mean. The whole we sold you thing.

According to 23&me - I have no Nigerian DNA - but I know many other AA's do.

Lagos is a Portugese word.

None of the current countries existed.

Their argument is probably the institutions that benefitted from Slavery are gone and dont exist so the most you may be able to do is find a family that currently still benefits from the slaves they sold. Being related to someone who sold slaves is not the same as being part of the institution that sold slaves because in theory there are AAs who could have had a slave trader ancestor but we know that the AA did not benefit from that institution so nobody would ask that AA for reperations because they are a victim.

What we do know is the European institutions that continue to benefit and that created the current nations in Africa which were victims to colonialism which is a direct result of the slave trade still exist.

So long story short it would be hard to find an African institution that wasnt destroyed that benefitted from the slave trade. The only thing left really are the victims of the acts (the family members who were split from the members brought to the new world). Now Nigeria does still have Kings and Queens so there is a chance those people may be living on wealth aquired from the act of trading slaves (I cant speak on History of the region honestly) but the literal nation of Nigeria didnt sell slaves, Nigeria is a end product of slavery and colonialism (thus Britain would be the perpetrator that is guilty, not the Modern Nigerian nation we see today).
 

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The issue is Black people (from the continent and in the USA) have been so indoctrined that most dont even recognize the traditions lol.

My family is comprised of people from the continent and AAs so I’ve been exposed to both sides on top of me being intrested in history (with my people coming from Liberia that could also add to it since the history of the country is connected to AA history and there is AA and Carribean influence in the general Liberian culture) so I actually see alot of the connections were you can see the root elements and AAs made due with what was around them to continue the traditions and from that and their unique experience created new cultural elements specific to them.
Right.

The connections are there but it’s hard for most of us to pick up on what we aren’t aware of to connect those dots. The education system and media keep most of us in the dark in regards to anything relating to Africa.

So folks kinda wing it and start with what’s popular which is usually Egyptian history, which is also what’s typically presented in academic circles. When I took Black studies in college that’s where the focus was. Nobody spelled out the connections throughtout the continent and diaspora. Everything I learned about West and Central Africa, the Caribbean, etc. I learned on my own.
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Right.

The connections are there but it’s hard for most of us to pick up on what we aren’t aware of to connect those dots. The education system and media keep most of us in the dark in regards to anything relating to Africa.

So folks kinda wing it and start with what’s popular which is usually Egyptian history, which is also what’s typically presented in academic circles. When I took Black studies in college that’s where the focus was. Nobody spelled out the connections throughtout the continent and diaspora. Everything I learned about West and Central Africa, the Caribbean, etc. I learned on my own.
:francis:

Yeah they dont even teach about the kingdoms AAs have a more recent connection to and literally come from lol. Most they may do is touch on Mansa Musa being rich and thats about it.

Now when it comes to Egypt, based on what I learned about my tribe and ethnic group, we were present in the region, but our place in society (whether we were a slave class, merchents, etc) is something I dont know much about in detail so I dont even harp on it too much because it was just another stop for us in history.
 

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Lagos is a Portugese word.

None of the current countries existed.

Their argument is probably the institutions that benefitted from Slavery are gone and dont exist so the most you may be able to do is find a family that currently still benefits from the slaves they sold. Being related to someone who sold slaves is not the same as being part of the institution that sold slaves because in theory there are AAs who could have had a slave trader ancestor but we know that the AA did not benefit from that institution so nobody would ask that AA for reperations because they are a victim.

What we do know is the European institutions that continue to benefit and that created the current nations in Africa which were victims to colonialism which is a direct result of the slave trade still exist.

So long story short it would be hard to find an African institution that wasnt destroyed that benefitted from the slave trade. The only thing left really are the victims of the acts (the family members who were split from the members brought to the new world). Now Nigeria does still have Kings and Queens so there is a chance those people may be living on wealth aquired from the act of trading slaves (I cant speak on History of the region honestly) but the literal nation of Nigeria didnt sell slaves, Nigeria is a end product of slavery and colonialism (thus Britain would be the perpetrator that is guilty, not the Modern Nigerian nation we see today).

Got it. Thanks for explaining.

I have to do more research on it. I know Europeans benefited more - but I understand a small amount of Nigerians benefited economically.

It's just crazy cause they were a large part of the trade - and country/people are in such bad condition.

The Transatlantic Slave Trade began in the late 15th century in Nigeria. By 1471, Portuguese navigators hoping to tap the fabled Saharan gold trade had reconnoitered the West African coast as far as the Niger Delta, and traded European commodities for local crafts as well as slaves, the latter which turned out to be highly lucrative. In the early stages, Europeans captured Nigerians in raids on coastal communities, but as the demand grew they relied on slaves to be supplied by local rulers, traders, and the military aristocracy, providing these agents with rum, guns, horses, industrial products, and fine muslin cloth.

Enormous profits were made, mostly by Europeans, but a small number of Africans also benefited economically, mostly along the southwestern coast of Nigeria. Over this period of trade, more than 3.5 million slaves were shipped from Nigeria to North and South America and the Caribbean colonies. A smaller trade also existed to Europe and other regions.

In using local brokers to provide captives, the slave trade degraded preexisting social, political, and religious structures and destroyed longstanding trading patterns, turning markets along the trans-Saharan trade routes into slave raiding stations. Competition among local tribes in the slave trade was intense and spurred internal wars to provide a steady stream of slave captives. Those groups that were implicated in supplying the most slaves (the Aro, Oyo and Hausa) also experienced internal crises and struggle, and Yoruba city-states ended up engaged in internecine wars for control of the slave trade. In the north, the Islamic legal prohibition against enslaving Muslims led to rising conversion to Islam in order to avoid enslavement—though the economic incentives ensured that many Muslims were taken by Muslim raiders or predatory neighboring polities.

On Lagos being a Portugese word...

Lagos, Onim:

By the late 15th century Lagos Island had been settled by Yoruba fishermen and hunters, who called it Oko. From the late 16th century to the mid-19th century, the area was dominated by the Kingdom of Benin, which called it Eko. The Portuguese first landed on Lagos Island in 1472. Trade developed slowly, however, until the Portuguese were granted a slaving monopoly a century later. The local obas (kings) enjoyed good relations with the Portuguese, who called the island Onim (and later Lagos) and who established a flourishing slave trade. British attempts to suppress the slave trade culminated in 1851 in a naval attack on Lagos and the deposition of the oba. The slave trade continued to grow until Lagos came under British control in 1861.
 

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I do have a question about Nigeria though. Many state that Nigeria wasn't a country during the TransAtlantic Slave Trade - and therefore their ancestors didn't sell slaves.
But, that isn't true.

I saw "Lagos, Onim" in many of the records on Slave Voyages.

Here's one of many: Voyage Information

Timeline: Eko - Onim - Lagos - Lagos - City of Empire
Badagry - Wikipedia
Badagry, Nigeria -- One of the First Slave Port on the African West Coast -- Courtesy of The Freeman Institute...

Do they not know this? I thought they did - cause it's one of the things they say online when they want to be mean. The whole we sold you thing.

According to 23&me - I have no Nigerian DNA - but I know many other AA's do.

Like already answered Lagos is a portuguese word, more specifically a portuguese city in the southern Algarve region. Was there earlier this year. If I remember correctly that's the region from which a lot of boats left to Africa and where the first african slaves came to Portugal. Nigeria didn't exist at the time.
 

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Most AA's claiming their native - have no proof other than a relative said they were. They haven't even did their family trees to see who their people were. Most if they have only know the history of one grandparent or one side of their family.

They claim they are on the Dawes Rolls or family has tribal membership -- or they could have membership if they wanted - and so on.

But, that can also mean if they were - they could have been enslaved.

My maternal family said the said thing cause we all certain "features" or "traits" - many didn't attach to being of African descent. Such as light and different color eye, sandy brown hair -- and the famous long thin/fine/wavy hair texture.

I found out they are very light and had those "traits" not because they had "native" blood/dna - cause of WHITE blood/dna.
Yup just word of mouth. I know a lot of folks won’t question it because it’s almost like calling grandma a lie, which I understand, but we gotta know the truth at some point.

I recently told some fam that the Native ancestry is LOW, like less than 5%, based off of research and my brother’s(half-brother) dna test.

Thankfully they were just like :yeshrug: .

Now when I told my Mom we had ancestors enslaved by Cherokees the mental gymnastics and denial had me like fukk it.
:snoop::hubie:
 

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Like already answered Lagos is a portuguese word, more specifically a portuguese city in the southern Algarve region. Was there earlier this year. If I remember correctly that's the region from which a lot of boats left to Africa and where the first african slaves came to Portugal. Nigeria didn't exist at the time.

Thanks for explaining.

"Lagos, Onim" was also major slave port in what today is known as Nigeria. "Lagos" was named after Lagos, Portugal - as an honor or reference.

You can search and see the many voyages from there - here's one: Voyage Information


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In the 15th century, the Portuguese started exploring the coast of West Africa. When they arrived in Nigeria, along the shores of Badagry about an hour’s drive from mainland Lagos, they initially set up camp for trade in palm oil, ivory, dyewood, and others with the locals. However, by 1650 this trade of commodities changed sourly into the trade of humans. It’s a trade that has left a traumatic and lasting legacy to the descendants of people from the region, as well as other West African countries like Benin, Ghana, Senegal and Gambia (all to the west of Nigeria) who were also seized in the slave trade. The cause of chattel slavery can be attributed to the development of plantations on the newly colonised Caribbean islands and America, in addition to the demand for more labour power to build the ‘new world’.

Source: How Nigeria is Preseving the Legacy of Its Slave Ports

More sources:
Trade and Politics behind the Slave Coast: The Lagoon Traffic and the Rise of Lagos, 1500-1800 on JSTOR
Slavery and the Birth of an African City
 

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Yup just word of mouth. I know a lot of folks won’t question it because it’s almost like calling grandma a lie, which I understand, but we gotta know the truth at some point.

I recently told some fam that the Native ancestry is LOW, like less than 5%, based off of research and my brother’s(half-brother) dna test.

Thankfully they were just like :yeshrug: .

Now when I told my Mom we had ancestors enslaved by Cherokees the mental gymnastics and denial had me like fukk it.
:snoop::hubie:

Exactly. I told my Uncle we had ancestors enslaved by the Choctaw - he was like huh? He had me order some books on Amazon for him - cause he couldn't believe it.

A lot of older families members still don't know that the 5 Civilized Tribes - many who AA's love to claim they are - were enslavers.
 
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what is up with this growing wave of black men and conspiracy theories?

:dahell:

Cause everything mainstream white society says about us is a lie. As black men we are told we are more violent, less intelligent, and sexually deviant compared to other races. We know these are lies.

If they lie about us, why aren't they lying about more?

To me I'm more surprised at black people who believe what mainstream white society has to say about ANYTHING.
 

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Thanks for explaining.

"Lagos, Onim" was also major slave port in what today is known as Nigeria. "Lagos" was named after Lagos, Portugal - as an honor or reference.

You can search and see the many voyages from there - here's one: Voyage Information


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In the 15th century, the Portuguese started exploring the coast of West Africa. When they arrived in Nigeria, along the shores of Badagry about an hour’s drive from mainland Lagos, they initially set up camp for trade in palm oil, ivory, dyewood, and others with the locals. However, by 1650 this trade of commodities changed sourly into the trade of humans. It’s a trade that has left a traumatic and lasting legacy to the descendants of people from the region, as well as other West African countries like Benin, Ghana, Senegal and Gambia (all to the west of Nigeria) who were also seized in the slave trade. The cause of chattel slavery can be attributed to the development of plantations on the newly colonised Caribbean islands and America, in addition to the demand for more labour power to build the ‘new world’.

Source: How Nigeria is Preseving the Legacy of Its Slave Ports

More sources:
Trade and Politics behind the Slave Coast: The Lagoon Traffic and the Rise of Lagos, 1500-1800 on JSTOR
Slavery and the Birth of an African City

Yeah that's what I actually meant but didn't say explicitly, that Lagos Nigeria was named after Lagos Portugal. Strange how history works, because the one in Portugal is quite a small town, not even the capital of the region. Nice place btw, despite the history. There's a museum about slavery but it was closed when I was there :francis:

As to the bolded, I saw a french documentary that actually stated that the premices for chatel slavery actually was in Sao Tomé e Principe, previously uninhabited islands off the western coast of Africa. The Portuguese developped the techniques there before implementing them in the Caribbean and Americas, as they knew the weather was similar there. Haven't researched much more on that though. Those islands are overlooked when talking about slavery, yet looks like they played an important role : it's after the "success" of these plantations that relationships with african kings seem to have changed. But again, I haven't looked more into all of this.
 

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I do have a question about Nigeria though. Many state that Nigeria wasn't a country during the TransAtlantic Slave Trade - and therefore their ancestors didn't sell slaves.
But, that isn't true.

I saw "Lagos, Onim" in many of the records on Slave Voyages.

Here's one of many: Voyage Information

Timeline: Eko - Onim - Lagos - Lagos - City of Empire
Badagry - Wikipedia
Badagry, Nigeria -- One of the First Slave Port on the African West Coast -- Courtesy of The Freeman Institute...

Do they not know this? I thought they did - cause it's one of the things they say online when they want to be mean. The whole we sold you thing.

According to 23&me - I have no Nigerian DNA - but I know many other AA's do.
That most certainly isn't true!
Though the current physical state was somewhat 'carved out' by European powers, many of the same groups who've occupied the area, and surrounding areas for over a millennia, are the same neighboring, warring, slave trading groups inhabiting the area, today. The actual nationalization of these groups under one umbrella, or nation is what is 'artificial'.
What were your dna results, btw?
 
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