IllmaticDelta
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the interview you posted from allhiphip, the dudes were saying that herc wasnt playing hip hop records and wasnt scratching as if that is an argument against him, hip hop records didnt exist in 1973 so of course they were all playing the same records
his point was that the seperation between the two styles was a false one during most of the 1970's.They were one in the same outside of dress code
the reason why kool herc gets credit for hip hop is not that he was the first DJ or the biggest DJ, it was that he was the first to loop the records specifically for the bboys
this is from your link Ill-literature with Skillz to Blaze: One Night At the Executive Playhouse
this right there is why kool herc gets credit as starting hip hop
i dont know what exactly happened at the very first party, but the text from your link shows that isnt true, kool herc was the DJ for the bboys
the date that they credit herc for starting hiphop was a time where there were no people identified as bboys. herc's earliest jams he was not doing any breakbeats/merry go round
Interesting riff between Herc and Bambattas camp (Zulu Nation) on the origin of HipHop culture. Who said there was no debate on the origins from the Og's?
AllHipHop News) There has been a lot of fanfare over the past week in celebration of what has been reported as the 40th anniversary of the birth of Hip Hop.
DJ Kool Herc is one originator that has become almost synonymous with the creation of the culture, but Quadeer “M.C. Spice” Shakur of the Universal Zulu Nation released a statement announcing that Hip Hop did not begin with Herc’s famous party at 1520 Sedgewick Avenue in the Bronx on August 11, 1973.
According to Shakur, Herc is a founding father of Hip-Hop, but he has been misrepresenting his role in the founding of Hip Hop on various news outlets.
The Zulu Nation Minister of Information also states that Kool Herc has asked his name not be included in any Zulu Nation Hip Hop Culture anniversary flyers several of years ago.
In portions of his statement titled “MISREPRESENTATION OF A CULTURE BY A FOREFATHER”, Shakur writes:
Herc is our brother, but when our family strays from us, we must first forgive them for mistakes, but let them know of their wrongdoings, and of course, welcome them back with open arms. We could go on forever about how many artists who are heavily a part of, or were a part of the Universal Zulu Nation, know and understand how serious this is. By no means should ANY of us attempt to change the course of history and flip it for a dollar or for accolades from an industry of Culture Vultures called “the media”, when we have known and still do know that many in the media want the false, doctored-up UN-truths, not the REAL truth. Especially when it comes to Hip-Hop. What is further disturbing is the falsehood that Kool Herc failed to respect the TRUE first ladies of Hip-Hop: ShaRock, Lisa Lee, Debbie Dee, Queen Amber. The women who were there ON THE MIC representing this Culture. Kool Herc went as far as saying his SISTER is the “first lady of Hip-Hop”. Kool Herc’s sister is also his marketing rep, and is part of promoting the falsehood that she (Cindy) is the “First Lady” of Hip-Hop. That’s NOT TRUE.
Kool Herc, aka Clive Campbell DID NOT BIRTH HIP-HOP CULTURE 40 YEARS AGO ON AUGUST 11, 1973. In fact, Kool Herc only did a Back To School JAM in the recreation room at 1520 Sedgewick Avenue in the Bronx. No emcees were present, no “Hip-Hop” was present (a term heavily used by LoveBug Starski and Keith Cowboy), and the Zulu Nation was already in effect. THIS is the reason for this message. Please get a pen and write this down, or go stand near the chalkboard and write this one hundred times to make SURE you remember: HIP-HOP CULTURE IS 39 YEARS OLD…ZULU NATION IS 40 YEARS OLD.
Some may say there’s no difference, and it’s only a year. But truth is, Kool Herc appears to be working with outside forces to overstep and outshine what is taking place THIS November 12th: The 40th Anniversary of the Universal Zulu Nation. Do you know how big that really is? How dangerous that really is? That so many brothers and sisters of the same accord have been together THIS strong for THIS long?
To be forthcoming about the FACTS concerning this message, we MUST inform those who are a part of this Culture that Universal Zulu Nation does NOT condone falsehoods with respects to this Culture of ours. Kool Herc may have done PARTIES, but a PARTY does NOT represent a MOVEMENT. Nor does a PARTY CREATE a movement. But the CULTURE of Hip-Hop CREATED a MOVEMENT and REPRESENTS a movement. Zulu represents and always WILL represent the four spiritual PRINCIPLES of The Culture: Peace, Unity, Love and Having Fun. We also promoted and rocked parties UTILIZING the five physical ELEMENTS of the Culture: Deejaying, Graffitti, Breakdancing, Emceeing and KNOWLEDGE. I would hope that Herc would adhere to the KNOWLEDGE of our Culture and refrain form the misrepresentation and falsehoods. This message is to inform you that there is NO TRUTH to what you have been hearing about Kool Herc and Hip-Hop having a 40th anniversary. Maybe Kool HERC was deejaying for 40 years. Maybe so. But Kool Herc has nothing to do with the TERM “Hip-Hop”. It was a Culture he was INVITED to once our founder Afrika Bambaataa FOUNDED the Culture USING the term. That said, I would venture to say that perhaps Kool Herc’s SOUND system , “The Herculords” is 40 years old, but not Hip-Hop. Give it another year, Herc. And give it a rest. We love you, but we MUST correct you, brother. Happy 39th birthday, Hip-Hop. Happy 40th Birthday, Zulu Nation.
Zulu Nation Says DJ Kool Herc Did Not Start Hip Hop And Is Misrepresenting The Culture - AllHipHop.com
yes, and? bboying started in the bronx, brooklyn did not have the equivalent of a kool herc, a DJ who spun records just for them
early bboying before that title attached to it was uprocking/toprocking was being done outside the bronx to the same funky records
there were no rappers in 1973, they were only MCs talking over the DJ, the fact that herc did not have actual rappers doesnt mean anything, rap music came after 1973
you mean in the herc scene. rappers existed in the disco scene like eddie cheeba, kc the prince of soul and Dj Hollywood, the father of the modern rapper
"Dj Hollywood was the blueprint for the syncopated style"
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Zulu Nation Says DJ Kool Herc Did Not Start Hip Hop And Is Misrepresenting The Culture - AllHipHop.com
A couple of interesting posts from Rahiem of Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5, who came up in the Herc scene..
Now here is his take on how rapping started...
"Dancers that did a dance called the B-boying or that danced to Boioing music came directly from Kool Herc parties. Kool Herc's emcees didn't rhyme to the beat but they said catchy phrases that were adopted by emcees who expounded on what they were doing after Herc's emcees and then when emcees heard DJ Hollywood is when they began rhyming to the beat!" (confirmed by grandmaser caz in dj vlad interview)
^^more, proof herc wasn't rapping, something herc himself has never claimed to have done
what exactly is it that you are saying people were doing in the west side of the bronx?
Im talking about people (younger people of that time) only having knowledge of what was going on in that part of the bronx vs the other otherparts, specifically, bronxdale with disco king mario/kool dee
i don think you get it, nobody is saying is that kool herc was the first DJ, kool herc was the first DJ to spin breakbeats specifically for the bboys, thats what he was known for, thats what made him famous in the bronx and thats why he gets the credit, thats why bronx gets the credit
I already said herc got misinformed credit this is why people from that time are now trying to correct and tell the true history
the herc origins have always been questioned by people who were there at the time and they're starting to speak out on it more to show that alot of history of early hiphop has been left out/distorted