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It's easy. You keep calling MikeWayne TV a cac channel....everything is "cracka (cac) this and cracka that"...another Afram word derived from a slur toward whites...I ain't, they ain't, we ain't.
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cotdamn holy shyt that was brutal :wow:

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the regions you mentioned in Africa are not where the majority of the slaves come from breh :francis:

most of my ancestry comes from present day Benin, DR Congo, and Ghana. and I know some other folks have a large degree of Nigerian ancestry, but by and large their make up is the same albeit in different ratios than mine.



only one of those present day countries/areas listed have had any degree of our ancestors that made it here to north america via the middle passage, and it's not even that significant :francis:


I'm just trying to make sense of your post breh because it doesn't jibe with what I know :hubie:

Breh with all due respect, what do you know? I am not sure what you were writing about, because it seems like you are unaware that the Mande people are all over West Africa. The Mande people are from the founders of the Empires of Ghana; Mali and Songhay. While the Mande are originally from modern day Mauritania, Mali and parts of Senegal; through conquest and trade, they were were able to extend their territory into the modern day countries of Gambia, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Burkina Faso, Niger and all the way into Northern Nigeria.

The Mande people are the:

Mandingos/Mandinka/Malinke who live mostly in Mali, Guinea, Sierra Leone, Guinea Bissau, Senegal, Ivory Coast and Liberia;
Mende who live mostly in Sierra Leone, but they are also in Liberia;
Bambara who live mostly in Mali;
Susu who live mostly in Guinea and Sierra Leone;
Soninke who were the founders of the Kingdom of Ghana, but who now live mostly in Senegal and Gambia;
Dioula/Juula who live all over West Africa.
Marka who live most in Mali and Burkina Faso
Bissa who live mostly in Burkina Faso, Ghana, Togo and Benin
Mano who live mostly in Ivory Coast and Liberia;
Kpelle who live mostly in Liberia
Yalunka who live mostly in Guinea
Dan who live mostly in Ivory Coast and Liberia
Loko who live mostly in Liberia
Vai who live mostly in either Guinea or Liberia
Ligbi who live mostly in Ghana and in the Ivory Coast
Loma who live mostly in Liberia and Guinea
Mandé peoples - Wikipedia

There are a bunch of other Mande tribes that I can not even recall right now, but here are their languages and where they are generally found in West Africa

Mande languages
East Mande
(Dan–Busa)

Southeast
Bisa–Busa

Central West Mande
(Manding–Kpelle)

Jogo languages
Manding languages
Mokole languages
Southwest Mande
Other Central

Northwest Mande
(Samogo–Soninke)

Samogo languages
Other Northwest
Busa language (Mande) - Wikipedia

Now that is not even discussing the partial Mande tribes like the Mossi people that are a mix of Mande people and Mampursi people (who are Gur). The Mossi live mostly in Benin, Ivory Coast, Togo, Ghana and Mali.

Mossi people - Wikipedia
Mamprusi people - Wikipedia

In any event the Mande people lived inland, but as stated earlier they spread into other regions of West Africa as Mali suffered instability and Songhay arose. Some Mande tribes had left Mali over a period of time, but there was at least one or more mass exoduses when as Songhay began to cut off Mali's Northern trade routes. One mass exodus of Mande people that we know of was recorded by the Portuguese. That exodus was called the Mane Invasion (Mane means Mande); which was an invasion from the North, South and East into modern day Sierra Leone and Liberia. The Portuguese didn't know of the reason for the invasion, but the Mande themselves indicated that it was to gain trade routes to the sea so that they could trade with the Europeans and in order to get salt.
Mane invasions (16th century)

So Mande actually live Benin and Ghana, which made me :rudy:at your post. Btw, Mande targeted in the the slave trade because of their knowledge of rice growing and their ability as blacksmiths. Finally, it sounds like you gave your results from Ancestry DNA or 23andme. I don't know why you would think that those results would not indicate that you are Mande, because those results are not literal. If you have a high Togo/Benin score your ancestry could actually be heavily from Burkina Faso; but since they don't test in Burkina Faso they will assign your DNA to the next closest region which would be Togo/Benin. If you have a high Nigeria test score, especially on 23andme then there is a strong likelihood that you are from Cameroon or even Congo; which are two areas that are grossly underrepresented by 23andme. So the country results are not literal, which should be pointed out that 23andme understands, because they only assign a confidence level of 50% to that anyway. However, the results do point to regional affinity.

You should probably take the African Ancestry test to learn you actual paternal and maternal tribes, because I got high results for Congo and Benin/Togo result as well; but my maternal haplogroup came back to the Mende in Sierra Leone and my paternal haplogroup is Bissa from Burkina Faso. So both of my direct parental lines are Mande.

I should point out you that most slaves in the USA are from the Rice Coast; Upper Volta and Congo. Nigeria didn't even ship that many slaves to the USA, because Usman Dan Fodio didn't even collapse the Yoruba Kingdoms until 1804, which was after the period in which most African Americans were already in place in the USA. It was the Dagomba people in Ghana/Upper Volta that targeted the Mande people in order to pay tribute in the form of slaves to the Ashanti.
 
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BTW @Diasporan Royalty I found yo' kin follk!



Tryna hide'em actin' like you ain't know and shyt. lol Stop play and putcha ten gallon hat on and get down to that family reunion.





^^^dude said they got people from NY show up. Probably in secret :lolbron: Don't wanna get roasted back in the bricks.

All jokes aside, this is dope. I've always been fascinated with the Black Trail Rides and Black Cowboy Culture in states like Louisiana, Texas, Miss, Okla, etc. Interestingly enough, they got a Black Cowboys Association in Brooklyn NY. There's a area of Brooklyn in I believe "Starett City" where there's a little bit of open space where these black cowboys ride. I think they even have some stables in that area. Fascinating.

Looks like good times, good food, and good ppl in those vids.

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It turns out that 1st vid was from NC. From Shelby...

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the regions you mentioned in Africa are not where the majority of the slaves come from breh :francis:

most of my ancestry comes from present day Benin, DR Congo, and Ghana. and I know some other folks have a large degree of Nigerian ancestry, but by and large their make up is the same albeit in different ratios than mine.



only one of those present day countries/areas listed have had any degree of our ancestors that made it here to north america via the middle passage, and it's not even that significant :francis:


I'm just trying to make sense of your post breh because it doesn't jibe with what I know :hubie:


he's talking about the mande & senegambian input in Aframs

major-ethnicities-of-enslaved-africans-in-north-america.jpg


and the range/areas they inhabit/descend from

Mande tribes are found in Benin, Burkina Faso, Côte d'Ivoire, Chad, The Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal and Sierra Leone.

What makes it far fetched to you?


Afram history that's hardly ever talked about: Black Loyalist->Nova Scotion->Sierre Leone Creole
 

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Breh with all due respect, what do you know? I am not sure what you were writing about, because it seems like you are unaware that the Mande people are all over West Africa. The Mande people are from the founders of the Empires of Ghana; Mali and Songhay. While the Mande are originally from modern day Mauritania, Mali and parts of Senegal; through conquest and trade, they were were able to extend their territory into the modern day countries of Gambia, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Burkina Faso, Niger and all the way into Northern Nigeria.

The Mande people are the:

Mandingos/Mandinka/Malinke who live mostly in Mali, Guinea, Sierra Leone, Guinea Bissau, Senegal, Ivory Coast and Liberia;
Mende who live mostly in Sierra Leone, but they are also in Liberia;
Bambara who live mostly in Mali;
Susu who live mostly in Guinea and Sierra Leone;
Soninke who were the founders of the Kingdom of Ghana, but who now live mostly in Senegal and Gambia;
Dioula/Juula who live all over West Africa.
Marka who live most in Mali and Burkina Faso
Bissa who live mostly in Burkina Faso, Ghana, Togo and Benin
Mano who live mostly in Ivory Coast and Liberia;
Kpelle who live mostly in Liberia
Yalunka who live mostly in Guinea
Dan who live mostly in Ivory Coast and Liberia
Loko who live mostly in Liberia
Vai who live mostly in either Guinea or Liberia
Ligbi who live mostly in Ghana and in the Ivory Coast
Loma who live mostly in Liberia and Guinea
Mandé peoples - Wikipedia

There are a bunch of other Mande tribes that I can not even recall right now, but here are their languages and where they are generally found in West Africa

Mande languages
East Mande
(Dan–Busa)

Southeast
Bisa–Busa

Central West Mande
(Manding–Kpelle)

Jogo languages
Manding languages
Mokole languages
Southwest Mande
Other Central

Northwest Mande
(Samogo–Soninke)

Samogo languages
Other Northwest
Busa language (Mande) - Wikipedia

Now that is not even discussing the partial Mande tribes like the Mossi people that are a mix of Mande people and Mampursi people (who are Gur). The Mossi live mostly in Benin, Ivory Coast, Togo, Ghana and Mali.

Mossi people - Wikipedia
Mamprusi people - Wikipedia

In any event the Mande people lived inland, but as stated earlier they spread into other regions of West Africa as Mali suffered instability and Songhay arose. Some Mande tribes had left Mali over a period of time, but there was at least one or more mass exoduses when as Songhay began to cut off Mali's Northern trade routes. One mass exodus of Mande people that we know of was recorded by the Portuguese. That exodus was called the Mane Invasion (Mane means Mande); which was an invasion from the North, South and East into modern day Sierra Leone and Liberia. The Portuguese didn't know of the reason for the invasion, but the Mande themselves indicated that it was to gain trade routes to the sea so that they could trade with the Europeans and in order to get salt.
Mane invasions (16th century)

So Mande actually live Benin and Ghana, which made me :rudy:at your post. Btw, Mande targeted in the the slave trade because of their knowledge of rice growing and their ability as blacksmiths. Finally, it sounds like you gave your results from Ancestry DNA or 23andme. I don't know why you would think that those results would not indicate that you are Mande, because those results are not literal. If you have a high Togo/Benin score your ancestry could actually be heavily from Burkina Faso; but since they don't test in Burkina Faso they will assign your DNA to the next closest region which would be Togo/Benin. If you have a high Nigeria test score, especially on 23andme then there is a strong likelihood that you are from Cameroon or even Congo; which are two areas that are grossly underrepresented by 23andme. So the country results are not literal, which should be pointed out that 23andme understands, because they only assign a confidence level of 50% to that anyway. However, the results do point to regional affinity.

You should probably take the African Ancestry test to learn you actual paternal and maternal tribes, because I got high results for Congo and Benin/Togo result as well; but my maternal haplogroup came back to the Mende in Sierra Leone and my paternal haplogroup is Bissa from Burkina Faso. So both of my direct parental lines are Mande.


I should point out you that most slaves in the USA are from the Rice Coast; Upper Volta and Congo. Nigeria didn't even ship that many slaves to the USA, because Usman Dan Fodio didn't even collapse the Yoruba Kingdoms until 1804, which was after the period in which most African Americans were already in place in the USA. It was the Dagomba people in Ghana/Upper Volta that targeted the Mande people in order to pay tribute in the form of slaves to the Ashanti.
so you said the Mande come from the Sahel

but the Sahel stretches across the entirety of Africa east to west

but the Mande are west African


so are the Mande from the western part of the Sahel?

:hubie:

edit-I took a paternal test before the Ancestry test and it came up Benin/Togo
 
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the regions you mentioned in Africa are not where the majority of the slaves come from breh :francis:


The senegambian port is where a plurality(most of any single category, but not majority with over 50 percent) of the slaves where shipped from. but most people use the terms Sahel, Sudanic, and Savanna to denote any region that isn't the forested regions of the Lower West African coastal regions and Central Africa as they typical share similar cultures and religion(islam). The Sudanic and Savanna region most definitely encompasses northern Guinea, Ghana, Togo, and Benin.

The-Sudan-Savanna-region-Source-Based-on-White-1983.png


Example of an African muslim slave in America shipped from Northern Benin
Mahommah Gardo Baquaqua - Wikipedia

Another African muslim slave shipped from northern/interior Guinea
Yarrow Mamout - Wikipedia

Another muslims slave in America from the same region as above
Bilali Document - Wikipedia

These ethnicity of Africans would be more typical of slaves shipped to the US than those shipped to Haiti or Cuba which would've came from more coastal regions of lower west Africa and Central Africa even if they came from what is today within the borders of the same country. Slave owners in the US prefered Africans to be shipped from this general region of Africa as opposed to the lower West African coastal regions and central Africa.

A white Natchez Mississippi planter/slaver, William Dunbar, express that Mississippi planters held a preference for Africans from the interior, stating "there are certain nations from the interior of Africa the individuals of which I have always found more civilized, at least better disposed than those from the coast, such as Bornon, Houssa, Zanfara, Zegzeg, Kapina, and Tombootoo regions". "The bornon" are those from the bornu empire, the "Houssa" are the Hausa, "Kapina" refers to those from the Katsina region of present day northern /Vigeria and Southern Niger. "Zanfara" refers to the Zamfara region, another region in present day Northern /Vigeria and southern Niger. Tombootoo refers to the Bambara of Mail. All of these regions had heavy islamic influenced populations.

While it was the complete opposite in Cuba. The spanish slavers there didn't want to import slaves that came from regions influenced by "Moors"(their long time enemies) for obvious reasons.

only one of those present day countries/areas listed have had any degree of our ancestors that made it here to north america via the middle passage, and it's not even that significant :francis:

Not sure what you're seeing, but I can easily spot two of those sahelian countries that from where a significant number of slaves to America were shipped from(Senegal and Nigeria).

Also Malians(Mandes) were a very well represented among slaves shipped to America especially in North Carolina and Louisiana(where they made up the largest group).

The first Malians who were brought to the colonies were mainly Mandinkas slaves, a Muslim ethnic group descended from the Mali Empire (1230s–1600s), who scattered throughout West Africa through the empire's expansion. They were exported to the United States as slaves during the 17th through 19th centuries.[4] In Louisiana, the non-Muslim Bambara from Mali were a large group.
Malian Americans - Wikipedia

And yes Mauritanians(Southern Saharan Berbers some of which were arabized) where also represented among those shipped to America.

The Bambara and the Mandingo were among the most frequent ethnicities on Louisiana plantations. They contributed very deep cultural influences to the culture of Louisiana including masking, which eventually led to the resilient tradition of the Mardi Gras Indians of New Orleans. The Wolof, the Moors, and the Fulbe were respectively designated as Senegal, Nard, and Poullard. Nard is the Wolof name for Moors.
Slave Trade in Louisiana

Just highlighting now two groups being mentioned: the Kanga and the Nar/Moors. Both rarely or not at all being reported elsewhere in the USA as far as i know. Which doesn’t per se mean they weren’t present though. In the West Indian Slave Registers especially the Canga are frequently mentioned. Kanga, also spelled Canga or Ganga, is a reference to people hailing from the border area between Sierra Leone and Liberia. Various ethnic groups might be hiding under this term though. In Cuba they were given 12 separate nación sub-groups, incl. possibly the Vai, and the Gola people (see the Liberated Africans website). But also infact the Kissi from Sierra Leone/Liberia who were mentioned 86 times in the Louisiana database, were sometimes in Cuba indentified as “Ganga Kisi”! Demonstrating the overlap in terminology. For maps showing the ethnolinguistical diversity in Liberia follow this link.

The number of socalled Nar/Moors in Louisiana documentation might be quite exceptional for anywhere else in the Americas. Nar is apparently the Wolof/Senegalese term to refer to Moors, most likely from Mauritania. There have been several mentionings of “Moors” or “North Africans” in West Indian as well as Brazilian slave registers, but far fewer in number. To be sure they are still overall a minority but still noticeably present, even quite a few females. It’s tempting to assume many of them might have arrived as a result of the warfare between Mauritanian Moors and Senegalese Wolof instigated by the British during their brief occupation in the 1770’s of the French slave port Saint Louis near the mouth of the Senegal river (Searing, 1993, p.153). It is often forgotten that despite having a reputation of having been slave raiders both the Moors and the Fula were often victimized themselves as well, as not all of their military campaigns were succesful. For maps and more context see also this page:
Louisiana: most African diversity within the United States?
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so you said the Mande come from the Sahel

but the Sahel stretches across the entirety of Africa east to west

but the Mande are west African


so are the Mande from the western part of the Sahel?

:hubie:

So they are from the Sahel. Western or Eastern is the still the Sahel. Right? After all the Mande people were as far east as modern day Niger and Nigeria.
 

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edit-I took a paternal test before the Ancestry test and it came up Benin/Togo

I don't know if you understand what an X chromosome is and what a Y chromosome is. An X is from your mother and a Y is from your father.

Ancestry only gives autosomal results, so you didn't take a paternal test with Ancestry DNA. Autosomal DNA is a review of all of your DNA. That is where they gave you regions. However, it does not advise you of your direct line; but it might give you the haplogroups of your mother and father.

African Ancestry is a different company altogether, than AncestryDNA. African Ancestry only focuses on the X and the Y chromosomes. They are not looking at autosmal information. They are only testing your direct line and they will tie your X and Y chromosomes to a direct ethnic group in a specific country.

So you could literally have 99% Congo and 1% Benin/Togo autosomally, but your direct lines might be completely Mande, because autosomal looks at everything.
 

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All jokes aside, this is dope. I've always been fascinated with the Black Trail Rides and Black Cowboy Culture in states like Louisiana, Texas, Miss, Okla, etc. Interestingly enough, they got a Black Cowboys Association in Brooklyn NY. There's a area of Brooklyn in I believe "Starett City" where there's a little bit of open space where these black cowboys ride. I think they even have some stables in that area. Fascinating.

Looks like good times, good food, and good ppl in those vids.

:lupe:

It turns out that 1st vid was from NC. From Shelby...

:lupe:

Yup All of those vids were from Shelby County, NC.

Prairie View, TX(technically apart of Houston metro) has the oldest official black trail ride association in America. Though, of course the tradition is much older all across the south.

Our's a lil different down here in Houston it seems. More of a parade type feel with big wagons decked with the whole sound system and more zydeco music.



Seems them folks in NC do it more like a concert. I can dig it.

Yeah, quiet as it's kept a lot of Afr'Am new yorkers do hold on to some more "southern' traditions than they usually let on. I remember seeing a video of an old timer breh in Brooklyn calling himself "Geechee"-something singing the blues on the subway. I mean if them non-AA blacks in NY can rep their traditional culture from back home why can't Afr'Am NYers.
 
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I don't know if you understand what an X chromosome is and what a Y chromosome is. An X is from your mother and a Y is from your father.

Ancestry only gives autosomal results, so you didn't take a paternal test with Ancestry DNA. Autosomal DNA is a review of all of your DNA. That is where they gave you regions. However, it does not advise you of your direct line; but it might give you the haplogroups of your mother and father.

African Ancestry is a different company altogether, than AncestryDNA. African Ancestry only focuses on the X and the Y chromosomes. They are not looking at autosmal information. They are only testing your direct line and they will tie your X and Y chromosomes to a direct ethnic group in a specific country.

So you could literally have 99% Congo and 1% Benin/Togo autosomally, but your direct lines might be completely Mande, because autosomal looks at everything.
my nikka, please stop coming off as a patronizing a$$hole :francis:


I took my first DNA test through FamilyTree DNA in 2014 and I got my Y DNA haplogroup done and the ancestral results they gave me said Benin

I know what the fukk an autosomal test is and I mentioned the results of that test earlier in this thread


if you're suggesting that I check out African Ancestry then you could have got around to that without being a fukking dikkhead :ehh:
 

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All jokes aside, this is dope. I've always been fascinated with the Black Trail Rides and Black Cowboy Culture in states like Louisiana, Texas, Miss, Okla, etc. Interestingly enough, they got a Black Cowboys Association in Brooklyn NY. There's a area of Brooklyn in I believe "Starett City" where there's a little bit of open space where these black cowboys ride. I think they even have some stables in that area. Fascinating.

Ain't just BK either. :lolbron:



Bottom line if you a true Afr'Am- you got a lil country in ya. Being from NY don't erase that heritage. Glad to see they're keeping their traditions alive way up there in the bricks.
 

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my nikka, please stop coming off as a patronizing a$$hole :francis:


I took my first DNA test through FamilyTree DNA in 2014 and I got my Y DNA haplogroup done and the ancestral results they gave me said Benin

I know what the fukk an autosomal test is and I mentioned the results of that test earlier in this thread


if you're suggesting that I check out African Ancestry then you could have got around to that without being a fukking dikkhead :ehh:

First of all you quoted me in this thread without even knowing what you are writing/talking about. You were so far in the weeds that two other posters had to come in and give you a clue, which should have indicated to you that you were wrong and that you actually knew very little about the slave trade and the people targeted.

Second of all Benin ain't a tribe; it is a damn Country. The Bini/Edo people are from the Kingdom of Benin, but that ain't the modern Country of Benin. So getting a Y DNA result saying Benin is not telling you the tribe, because Benin has a bunch of different other ethnic groups too; including some Mande people.

Third of all you can not take the regions assigned by DNA testing companies as literal, because they don't test in all regions. So if they don't have your exact region then they will assign you to a region that looks the most like your DNA. So you might not actually be from that region if they don't have extensive samples in that area. So you might have just been assigned there as proxy or by default.
AncestryDNA Regions

Finally, fugg you. You are the dumb dikkhead nikka that came in quoting me on some bytch ass dumbshyt, while apparently having zero fugging knowledge that the Sahel extends through Ghana, Togo, Benin and Nigeria, which is where a lot of Mande and other Sahelian people are located. In other words everybody in Ghana, Togo, Benin and Nigeria ain't from the fugging forest belt. You could have at least learned that much, before your dumbass quoted me.

In closing eat a dikk and have a nice day.
 

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Yup All of those vids were from Shelby County, NC.

Prairie View, TX(technically apart of Houston metro) has the oldest official black trail ride association in America. Though, of course the tradition is much older all across the south.

Our's a lil different down here in Houston it seems. More of a parade type feel with big wagons decked with the whole sound system and more zydeco music.



Seems them folks in NC do it more like a concert. I can dig it.

Yeah, quiet as it's kept a lot of Afr'Am new yorkers do hold on to some more "southern' traditions than they usually let on. I remember seeing a video of an old timer breh in Brooklyn calling himself "Geechee"-something singing the blues on the subway. I mean if them non-AA blacks in NY can rep their traditional culture from back home why can't Afr'Am NYers.

They got some thickums in that vid.

Where's my Cowboy hat?

:lupe:

Imma be a Cowboy Zoe.

:lupe:
Ain't just BK either. :lolbron:



Bottom line if you a true Afr'Am- you got a lil country in ya. Being from NY don't erase that heritage. Glad to see they're keeping their traditions alive way up there in the bricks.

Those kids look so happy...:wow:
 
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