Afram DOS is the goat musically

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Barack Obama is allegedly descended from John Punch on his mother's side of the family. Punch was one of the first documented slaves in British North America. So Obama would literally be an African American if the story is true. No only that, but Obama's mother was an American going back generations. So she was an American.
Obama’s Mother Had African Forebear, Study Suggests

Both of Harris' parents were immigrants having no roots in the USA. So how is her story similar to Obama's? She is literally a carpetbagger who is surfing her way into high public office on the lie that she is an African American. Haitians and Jamaicans have countries that they come from, namely Haiti and Jamaica, which makes them Haitian Americans and Jamaican Americans. So why would they claim to be African Americans? They would be as silly as an African American claiming to be Haitian or Jamaican.

So there is no need for the DOS nonsense, because an African American is literally one that is descended from slaves that were brought to the USA. No other person is an African American, except ones that is descended from people brought to the USA as slaves.
Dude you are misreading what i am saying entirely. You seem like an intelligent brother but seems like you overthink everything and then end up confusing yourself in the process. Nowhere have i ever said Haitians and Jamaicans should claim african-american. I myself, on this board and in person always say "i'm black. But i am NOT african-american because I am Haitian" because some people seem to think that only african-americans are "black".

My mention of Haitians and other blacks that were enslaved in the new world is strictly in reference to the fact that they too have been uprooted from their origins and dropped off in foreign lands and have been exploited by Americans, British, Spaniards and French via colonization and slavery and the continuous manipulation of these countries that are supposed to be independent now.

The conditions of these countries and even African countries is mostly due to the neo-colonizers and influencers that continue to this day. I'm sure you see the manipulation by US in other countries like Venezuela and others where the US practically strong-arm other nations to vote against Venezuela in the OEA. Just the other day they finally relaesed Gbagbo from prison after the French supported coup in 2010out of Ivory Coast. The U.S. basically forbidding the Haitian government from signing development deal with the Chinese just last year. I can go on and on with examples of these major powers dictating what goes on in these countries.

So when conditions in these countries worsen by the day and they migrate here voluntarily because as bad as african-americans wanna think they have it in the U.S. , you wouldnt trade places with the typical haitian living in Haiti or jamaican living in Jamaica.
 
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Dude you are misreading what i am saying entirely. You seem like an intelligent brother but seems like you overthink everything and then end up confusing yourself in the process. Nowhere have i ever said Haitians and Jamaicans should claim african-american. I myself, on this board and in person always say "i'm black. But i am NOT african-american because I am Haitian" because some people seem to think that only african-americans are "black".

My mention of Haitians and other blacks that were enslaved in the new world is strictly in reference to the fact that they too have been uprooted from their origins and dropped off in foreign lands and have been exploited by Americans, British, Spaniards and French via colonization and slavery and the continuous manipulation of these countries that are supposed to be independent now.

The conditions of these countries and even African countries is mostly due to the neo-colonizers and influencers that continue to this day. I'm sure you see the manipulation by US in other countries like Venezuela and others where the US practically strong-arm other nations to vote against Venezuela in the OEA. Just the other day they finally relaesed Gbagbo from prison after the French supported coup in 2010out of Ivory Coast. The U.S. basically forbidding the Haitian government from signing development deal with the Chinese just last year. I can go on and on with examples of these major powers dictating what goes on in these countries.

So when conditions in these countries worsen by the day and they migrate here voluntarily because as bad as african-americans wanna think they have it in the U.S. , you wouldnt trade places with the typical haitian living in Haiti or jamaican living in Jamaica.

You are under reading what I am stating. When someone says American everyone knows that it means from the United States of America. It is literally shorthand. No one thinks that it means Jamaican, Haitian, Mexican, Canadian, Brazilian or any of that stuff, even though those countries are in the Americas too. The reason that no one thinks that is because those people have their own countries and America is shorthand for another country, namely the United States of America.

So African American literally means people that are descended from enslaved Americans that claim ancestry from from multiple ethnic groups in West, Central and South East Africa. Haitians, Jamaicans and other groups have their own countries so they are literally African-Haitians, African-Jamaicans, etc., but rather than include African they just call themselves Haitians, Jamaicans, etc. Moreover, why would a Nigerian, Ghanain, etc., call themselves an African American when most of them have no historical ties to the USA nor are they from multiple ethnic groups in West, Central and Southeast Africa? Those people can specifically point to a West African country of origin, which is no different than an Italian, Russian, etc., pointing to a country in Europe or Asia as a point of origin.

The reason that African American replaced Black, Negro, Colored and all of the other descriptors is because Black was not an adequate descriptor of where people are from which as you well see could mean someone from Haiti, Jamaica, Nigeria, etc. Finally, your points seem disjointed. I am specifically pointing to the origins of the phrase and who it specifically applies too. I am not addressing all of the geopolitical issues that you are discussing, because it has nothing to do with the phrase African American.
 
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An African American is a Black person whose ancestors were brought to the USA as slaves. That term was coined back in the 1960s as a descriptor to give Negro or Black Americans a place of descent, because they could not pinpoint one specific place in Africa that their ancestors were from. The first attempt at the descriptor was Afro-American and then it morphed into African American.

Bennett, What's In a Name? Negro vs. Afro-American vs. Black (1967)

Fwiw, why would a person from Nigeria claim to be an African American, when they can clearly point to Nigeria as the place that their ancestors are from? They in fact would be a Nigerian-American and they would have very little if any DNA from other parts of Africa. Whereas a typical African Americans legitimately has DNA from 3 separate regions in Africa, namely West, Central and Southeast Africa. A person from Haiti is a Haitian American. A person from Jamaica is a Jamaican-American. They have a specific country that they are from, which is why I dispute Kamala Harris claim to being an African American.

Facts. This is still going over these nikkas’ heads like I can’t even understand, this is so fukking simple :snoop:
 

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I dont disagree with anything you said. My question was with the DOS part. But again, Do you.

What about Kamala Harris? WHere is her family from? Is her situation similar to Obama's? Come to think of it Obama wouldnt qualify as African-American with your description.

AADOS = descendants of mainland usa, slaves stock. Nothing more, nothing less


Also, Haitian ,Jamaicans, and other blacks enslaved in the new world cant pinpoint to where in Africa they are from either so its not like it's a situation thats unique to AAs

they are DOS also but not mainland usa DOS
 

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An African American is a Black person whose ancestors were brought to the USA as slaves. That term was coined back in the 1960s as a descriptor to give Negro or Black Americans a place of descent, because they could not pinpoint one specific place in Africa that their ancestors were from. The first attempt at the descriptor was Afro-American and then it morphed into African American.

Bennett, What's In a Name? Negro vs. Afro-American vs. Black (1967)

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afro-american (black, too) was coined by mainland usa DOS way before the 1960s


"AfroAmericans" the ethnicity


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Use of ‘African-American’ Dates to Nation’s Early Days

The term African-American may seem to be a product of recent decades, exploding into common usage in the 1990s after a push from advocates like Jesse Jackson, and only enshrined in the Oxford English Dictionary in 2001.

The O.E.D.’s entry, revised in 2012, traces the first known occurrence to 1835, in an abolitionist newspaper. But now, a researcher has discovered a printed reference in an anti-British sermon from 1782 credited to an anonymous “African American,” pushing the origins of the term back to the earliest days of independence.

“We think of it as a neutral alternative to older terms, one that resembles Italian-American or Irish-American,” said Fred Shapiro, an associate director at the Yale Law School Library, who found the reference. “It’s a very striking usage to see back in 1782.”

Mr. Shapiro, a longtime contributor to the O.E.D. and the editor of the Yale Book of Quotations, found the reference last month in one of his regular sweeps of various online databases that have transformed lexicographic research by gathering vast swaths of historical texts — once scattered across the collections of far-flung libraries and historical societies — in one easily searchable place.

One day, Mr. Shapiro typed “African American” into a database of historical newspapers. Up popped an advertisement that appeared in The Pennsylvania Journal on May 15, 1782, announcing: “Two Sermons, written by the African American; one on the Capture of Lord Cornwallis, to be SOLD.”

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With the help of George Thompson, a retired librarian from New York University, Mr. Shapiro found one of the titles — “A Sermon on the Capture of Lord Cornwallis” — and located a copy of it, a 16-page pamphlet, at Houghton Library at Harvard University.

The sermon, which crows about the surrender of the British Army at Yorktown the previous year, was acquired by Harvard in 1845 and seems to have been all but uncited in scholarly literature. Its author — listed on the title page as “an African American” — is anonymous, identified only as “not having the benefit of a liberal education.”

“Was it a freeman?” Mr. Shapiro said. “A slave? We don’t know.”

Black people in the Colonial period, whatever their legal status, were most commonly referred to as “Negro” or “African.”

But in the years after the Revolution, various terms emphasizing their claim to being “American” — a label which was applied to people of European descent living in the colonies by the end of the 17th century — came into circulation.

“Afro-American” has been documented as early as 1831, with “black American” (1818) and “Africo-American” (1788) going back even further.

“We want dancing and raree-shows and ramadans to forget miseries and wretchedness as much as the Africo-americans want the Banjar” — banjo — “to digest with their Kuskus the hardships of their lives,” a correspondent wrote to Thomas Jefferson in 1788. (“Kuskus” is a variant of “couscous.”)

Katherine C. Martin, the editor of United States dictionaries at Oxford University Press, said the O.E.D.’s researchers were in the process of confirming Mr. Shapiro’s discovery.

“It’s very exciting,” she said. “Once we have it nailed down, I would expect we’ll update our entry.”

The sermon, one of the earliest surviving ones by a black American, may also attract interest from historians.

In it, the speaker boasts about the capture of Cornwallis and decries the British assault on “the freedom of the free born sons of America” while nodding toward the fact of “my own complexion.”

“My beloved countrymen, if I may be permitted thus to call you, who am a descendant of the sable race,” one passage begins.

The speaker also addresses fellow “descendants of Africa” who feel loyalty to Britain, asking: “Tell me in plain and simple language, have ye not been disappointed? Have ye reaped what you labored for?”

The other sermon mentioned in the ad, Mr. Shapiro said, may be “A Sermon on the Present Situation of Affairs of America and Great-Britain,” which had been previously known to scholars. Both refer to “descendants of Africa,” he said, and have dedications invoking South Carolina, whose governor had been held in solitary confinement by the British for nearly a year.

But curiously, the title page of the other sermon attributes it to “a Black.”

In other words, the bifurcation between the terms African-American and black, the two leading terms today, was present from the very beginning
,” Mr. Shapiro said.

Use of ‘African-American’ Dates to Nation’s Early Days
 

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Also, Haitian ,Jamaicans, and other blacks enslaved in the new world cant pinpoint to where in Africa they are from either so its not like it's a situation thats unique to AAs

we're all DOS-New world blacks but AADOS are from slave stock native to the USA which is why they are ethnic AfroAmericans
 

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With this ADOS mentality gaining traction all across social media and the general public between elder and younger Black folks, the 2020s will see Afram DOS go through another renaissance musically. I just can't put my finger on the theme :jbmm:

1960s...

1990s...

2020s... : wow:

I know the 70s was arguably better than the 60s musically but i just wanted it to look good evenly lol. 30 years apart :wow:

I know it don't seem like it now but remember also there is a delay at the start of the decade usually. This ADOS proud mentality though will have people pushing the culture vultures and c00ns out the industry like they did in the 90s
 

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The answer is Sahelian music. African Americans are heavily from Mande stock, which are a people from the Sahel, specifically Mali, Mauritania, Senegal, Guinea, Burkina Faso and Gambia. The USA brought in a large number of Mande over a relatively very short period to grow rice and indigo in North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia. The Mande people had paid musicians (Griots) going back over a thousand years and they played instruments like the Kora, djembe and the banjo.

Music of Mali - Wikipedia.

Most Brazilians are Yoruba, Congo, Angolan, Hausa and some Mande. So they all brought different musical forms with successive waves of people from different regions.

the regions you mentioned in Africa are not where the majority of the slaves come from breh :francis:

most of my ancestry comes from present day Benin, DR Congo, and Ghana. and I know some other folks have a large degree of Nigerian ancestry, but by and large their make up is the same albeit in different ratios than mine.

The Sahel, comprising portions of ten (10) African countries, from left to right: [northern] Senegal, [southern] Mauritania, [central] Mali, [northern] Burkina Faso, [southern] Algeria, [southwestern] Niger, [northern] Nigeria, [central] Chad, [central] Sudan and [northern] Eritrea.

only one of those present day countries/areas listed have had any degree of our ancestors that made it here to north america via the middle passage, and it's not even that significant :francis:


I'm just trying to make sense of your post breh because it doesn't jibe with what I know :hubie:
 

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Like 80% of what I listen too nowadays is 70's RnB and Soul. I don't know, there's just something about the stuff from that period that seems timeless to me, and pleases my ears sonically more than many other genres....

:dame:

I don't know if it was the melodies, vocal arrangements, I don't know what it is musically.

:patrice:

Neo Soul like you said, came at the perfect time. Timing and place. But that 70's stuff....:whew:
sorry I took so long to reply :francis:
 
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