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I don't see nothing about it but Talibans have already gained back territory and may very well rule major parts of Afganistan again.

I'm legit wondering what happened in the last 15 years for the Afghan and central government to crumble that easily against a Taliban offensive even with all that US cooperation :dwillhuh: like I expected at least some proper resistance. I obviously dont think the Talibans own 85% of the country as their propaganda claim but they definitely are gaining strongholds.


Taliban says it controls '85 percent' of Afghanistan's territory

Taliban says it controls '85 percent' of Afghanistan's territory

Issued on: 09/07/2021 - 12:13

The Taliban claimed Friday to be in control of 85 percent of Afghanistan after seizing key border crossings with Iran and Turkmenistan, part of a sweeping offensive launched as US troops pull out of the war-torn nation.

Hours after President Joe Biden issued a staunch defence of the US withdrawal, the Taliban said its fighters had seized the two vital crossings in western Afghanistan – completing an arc of territory from the Iranian border to the frontier with China.

In Moscow, a delegation of Taliban officials said they controlled about 250 of Afghanistan's nearly 400 districts – a claim impossible to independently verify and disputed by the government.

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid separately told AFP their fighters had captured the border town of Islam Qala on the Iranian frontier and the Torghundi crossing with Turkmenistan.

Afghanistan's interior ministry spokesman Tareq Arian said efforts were under way to dislodge the insurgents from their positions.

The Afghan government has repeatedly dismissed the Taliban's gains as having little strategic value, but the seizure of multiple border crossings along with mineral-rich areas will likely fill the group's coffers with several sources of new revenue.

Hours earlier, Biden said the US military mission would end on August 31 – nearly 20 years after it began – having "achieved" its goals.

But he admitted it was "highly unlikely" Kabul would be able to control the entire country.

"The status quo is not an option," Biden said of staying in the country. "I will not send another generation of Americans to war in Afghanistan."

With the Taliban having routed much of northern Afghanistan in recent weeks, the government holds little more than a constellation of provincial capitals that must largely be reinforced and resupplied by air.

The air force was under severe strain even before the Taliban's lightning offensive overwhelmed the government's northern and western positions, putting further pressure on the country's limited aircraft and pilots.

Biden said the Afghan people alone should determine their future, but he acknowledged the uncertainty about what that would look like.

Asked if a Taliban takeover was inevitable, the president said: "No, it is not."

But, he admitted, "the likelihood there is going to be one unified government in Afghanistan controlling the whole country is highly unlikely".

US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin on Friday called for international pressure to force a deal between Kabul and the Taliban to end the conflict in the country.

"The security situation in Afghanistan only argues more for international pressure to have a negotiated political settlement to end this conflict, and give the Afghan people [the] government they want and they deserve," Austin said in a tweet.

"The entire world can help by continuing this push," Austin added.

US exit 'positive step'

The Taliban, for their part, welcomed Biden's statement.

"Any day or hour that US and foreign troops leave earlier is a positive step," spokesperson Suhail Shaheen told AFP.

Afghan commandos clashed with the insurgents this week in a provincial capital, with thousands of people fleeing Qala-i-Naw in northwest Badghis province.

On Friday the Afghan defence ministry said government forces had "full control" of the city.

"They have retreated from the city and the fighting has stopped inside for now," Badghis provincial council chief Abdul Aziz Bek told AFP.

Hours later a group of Taliban fighters attacked a prison on the edge of Kandahar city, the capital of their former bastion of Kandahar province.

"The Taliban ... tried to get to the prison there. Fighting continues and we have deployed reinforcements including special forces to clear the area," said Kandahar police spokesman Jamal Naser Barekza.

President Ashraf Ghani said the government could handle the situation, but admitted difficulties lay ahead.

"What we are witnessing is one of the most complicated stages of the transition," he said in a speech in Kabul on Thursday.

Ismail Khan, a veteran warlord whose militia helped US forces topple the Taliban in 2001, vowed to back government forces in fighting against the insurgents.

"We will soon go to the front lines and with the help of God change the situation," Khan told reporters in the western city of Herat.

As the Afghan military struggled to hold its ground against the Taliban, the country's leadership also appeared to be enveloped in chaos.

In a leaked audio call published on social media, Vice President Amrullah Saleh could be heard issuing a death threat to a parliamentarian after accusing the official of encouraging security forces to surrender to the Taliban in Badghis.

The Taliban have been emboldened by the troop withdrawal and – with peace talks in Doha deadlocked – appear to be pressing for a full military victory.

Still, on Thursday, Shaheen, who is also a member of the Taliban negotiating team in Doha, insisted the insurgents were seeking a "negotiated settlement".

In Moscow, a Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman said the Taliban controlled about two-thirds of the Afghan-Tajik border as a delegation from the insurgents wound up a visit.

About "85 percent of Afghanistan's territory" was under the group's control, said Taliban delegate Shahabuddin Delawar, who added that the group was committed to preventing other jihadists from using Afghanistan as a base for their operations.
 
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One thing that rarely gets mentioned is that the ethnic group from which the Taliban emerged (Pashtun) is the largest in Afghanistan. They are more than 40% of the population.

They can take over bc they have the most supporters and bc although fanatical, unlike the northern alliance and the other groups that held power in the time after the sockets left, the Taliban weren't personally corrupt and they managed to end years of civil war.
 

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Afghanistan as we know it is just a bunch of regional tribes.

Kabul might just end of being the fortified stronghold of the remnants of the war. Whether the Taliban just leave it alone or the Afghan forces/ government manage to hold that city.
 

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The thing about Afghanistan is the people don't recognize the country that outsiders have a carved out and labeled as Afghanistan. In the few cities, perhaps, but the majority of the population identifies with their tribe over everything. Most aren't even connected to whats goin on in the cities in any meaningful way.

All our efforts to create a Democracy was all a performative, self-aggrandizing charade. Villages that did accept American aid or whatever just did it to get something out of us...a well for easier access to drinking water, maybe a paved road...a school...irrigation...whatever. In a lot cases they just played ball because we rolled up with multi-million dollar gun trucks. At the end of the day they couldn't care less about the government in Kabul, the president, or any of that. If the Taliban showed up the next day and made demands they'd roll with them without blinking an eye.
 
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not much talk because we have already seen how vietnam ended. this will probably be a more orderly version of that. i expect to see afghans who were big shots over there driving uber over here next year
 

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not much talk because we have already seen how vietnam ended. this will probably be a more orderly version of that. i expect to see afghans who were big shots over there driving uber over here next year

Nah that's just the poor suckers who took translator jobs.

The big shots have been stashing money in UAE since 2002
 

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Wtf . So the troops havnt even left yet completely and the afghan forces have already lost most of their country to the taliban ? Wtf how is the taliban still alive after all this time and how are they so well supplied ?
 

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Wtf . So the troops havnt even left yet completely and the afghan forces have already lost most of their country to the taliban ? Wtf how is the taliban still alive after all this time and how are they so well supplied ?

troops have left except the embassy protection force and probably special forces

ground operations against the Taliban ended awhile ago maybe a year ago or more

Taliban has billions in revenue and support from foreign governments

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