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Tony Khan should hire this John Muse guy. Real good creative analysis from this guy. Doesn't even come up with completely unique ideas. Just goes with what AEW has already done and talks about how it could be done better. Which is exactly what TK needs as long as he isn't willing to give up the book.

 
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But I thought AEW wouldn’t make it 5 years? :lupe:

Anyways, a legit number 2 is good for wrestling and I’ve been entertained. None of these promotions are perfect, none have ever been, but TK has given so much for wrestling fans.

It’s weird how dudes obsess so much over this shyt and take sides or complain so much over fukkin play fighting. Let’s see how long it takes before the tribal warriors enter this thread and turn it into another pointless back and forth. :huhldup:

What the marks won’t say is they forced the E to step up and now we have overall better product .. wwe always been best with competition check attitude era and now bloodline era
 

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Tony Khan should hire this John Muse guy. Real good creative analysis from this guy. Doesn't even come up with completely unique ideas. Just goes with what AEW has already done and talks about how it could be done better. Which is exactly what TK needs as long as he isn't willing to give up the book.


or better idea, he should tell anybody who works for that racist site to fukk off. fukk Voices of Wrestling. Not surprising you’d be a big fan of them though :mjpls::jbhmm:
 
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or better idea, he should tell anybody who works for that racist site to fukk off. fukk Voices of Wrestling. Not surprising you’d be a big fan of them though :mjpls::jbhmm:
What have they done that's racist? I am not familiar with that site, someone I follow tweeted out that video.
 

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What the marks won’t say is they forced the E to step up and now we have overall better product .. wwe always been best with competition check attitude era and now bloodline era
Because the timelines don't really add up. When AEW was at their best Vince was slashing the roster and fully entrenched in his senile coke phase putting out shyt. The process of HHH partially taking over/getting full control hasn't been impacted by "competition" very much, I don't think he's done anything over the top or particularly special as much as simply scrapping all the goofy Vince'ism shyt and tightening up the product.

AEWs had a direct impact on contract negotiations and leverage for agents but that's the extent of their impact on anything WWE produces.
 

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What have they done that's racist? I am not familiar with that site, someone I follow tweeted out that video.

you're not familiar with that site yet you've posted their videos numerous times now and regularly post their writers :jbhmm:

the owner and main host of the site/podcast is a white guy named Joe Lanza who got exposed years ago for posting the N word on his twitter and also posting Tweets supporting the Ferguson cops after they killed Mike Brown. Also publicly supported Gavin McInnes a fukking neo Nazi who is the founder of the Proud Boys. Was super anti Obama and was one of those idiots who cried about people saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas.

He deleted his Twitter when all this stuff got unearthed and did the whole "cAncEl CuLtuRe!!" act. Now he just hides behind the paywall of the site, but he still makes racist jokes about black talent in NXT and WWE that occasionally gets posted on Twitter and taken down for copyright. As far as I know nobody from that site quit after he got exposed, including that loser Suit Williams.
 

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What the marks won’t say is they forced the E to step up and now we have overall better product .. wwe always been best with competition check attitude era and now bloodline era

when NXT was going head to head every single week with AEW (with HHH still in charge) i don't think anybody considers that period of NXT to be better than it was years before when they had 0 competition. Nobody online talks about the "good old days" of NXT circa 2020 or 2021 :manny: and that was direct head to head competition
 

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@Jmare007 What do you think?

I'm talking about revenue, attendance figures, touring, global reach, etc...
You going a little too far. They are not bigger than CMLL and AAA has had stretches bigger than AEW's first run.

Comparing 2020's revenue to the old territories is not possible. It's also kind of unfair to compare attendance (nowadays it's much more expensive and there's way more shyt to do than going to the local wrestling show). But even still, I see no argument for AEW to be put ahead of AWA and Memphis, those two territories were profitable and were selling big arenas for 5-7 year runs, multiple times.

And I'm almost positive territories like Florida, Detroit and San Francisco had runs that were more successful to those promotions than the first 3 years of AEW were to that company.

I think WCCW is a better comp in terms of a short run catching fire,taking the business by surprise and elevating itself as a top place in wrestling.

Again though, it's unfair to compare them because a national promotion has other challenges, specially in the 2020s.
 
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you're not familiar with that site yet you've posted their videos numerous times now and regularly post their writers :jbhmm:

the owner and main host of the site/podcast is a white guy named Joe Lanza who got exposed years ago for posting the N word on his twitter and also posting Tweets supporting the Ferguson cops after they killed Mike Brown. Also publicly supported Gavin McInnes a fukking neo Nazi who is the founder of the Proud Boys. Was super anti Obama and was one of those idiots who cried about people saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas.

He deleted his Twitter when all this stuff got unearthed and did the whole "cAncEl CuLtuRe!!" act. Now he just hides behind the paywall of the site, but he still makes racist jokes about black talent in NXT and WWE that occasionally gets posted on Twitter and taken down for copyright. As far as I know nobody from that site quit after he got exposed, including that loser Suit Williams.
I legit had not heard about any of that stuff, damn. It must have blown up when I was either not watching wrestling or before I started paying attention to all the IWC discourse.
 

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the owner and main host of the site/podcast is a white guy named Joe Lanza who got exposed years ago for posting the N word on his twitter and also posting Tweets supporting the Ferguson cops after they killed Mike Brown. Also publicly supported Gavin McInnes a fukking neo Nazi who is the founder of the Proud Boys. Was super anti Obama and was one of those idiots who cried about people saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas.

He deleted his Twitter when all this stuff got unearthed and did the whole "cAncEl CuLtuRe!!" act. Now he just hides behind the paywall of the site, but he still makes racist jokes about black talent in NXT and WWE that occasionally gets posted on Twitter and taken down for copyright. As far as I know nobody from that site quit after he got exposed, including that loser Suit Williams.
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:pacspit: never heard of him or his site before today
 

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You going a little too far. They are not bigger than CMLL and AAA has had stretches bigger than AEW's first run.

Comparing 2020's revenue to the old territories is not possible. It's also kind of unfair to compare attendance (nowadays it's much more expensive and there's way more shyt to do than going to the local wrestling show). But even still, I see no argument for AEW to be put ahead of AWA and Memphis, those two territories were profitable and were selling big arenas for 5-7 year runs, multiple times.

And I'm almost positive territories like Florida, Detroit and San Francisco had runs that were more successful to those promotions than the first 3 years of AEW were to that company.

I think WCCW is a good comp in terms of a short run catching fire,taking the business by surprise and elevating itself as a top place in wrestling.

Again though, it's unfair to compare them because a national promotion has other challenges, specially in the 2020s.
There's so many ways that it's impractical to compare now to even Ruthless Aggression and Attitude era, much less territory days. Economic model nowadays is completely different.

Back in the Attitude era, even though being on TV was essential, media rights was a small fraction of their revenue. The TV was there for exposure to drive their main revenue sources of gate, merch, and PPV buys. On the new Smackdown deal with USA Network, Smackdown for 2 hours is going to be making about $5.5 million a week, that's more than double what Raw was making for the entire year in 1998. That year they were paid $45K a week, which is $2.34 million a year. Their entire economic model was based on variable revenue streams, if they started to nosedive in those then it was bad news, really, really bad news.

In 2022, 80% of WWE's revenue came from a fixed source in media. Now TV is essential because it's the only thing that enables companies like AEW and WWE to be as big as they are.

Sure, AEW's model is a little different because they do PPVs, so that's going to skew things a bit less towards media for AEW because they do make a sizeable chunk of money off PPVs.

But their option that got picked up by WBD this year was allegedly for $175 million.

There's zero chance they are making even close to half as much on gate, merch, and PPV buys that they are making on media rights. I base that on the concrete numbers we get for some TV tapings and PPV (both in gate and buys). For merch, in 2022 WWE did about the same amount in merch as they did in live gate, considering AEW's in-arena merch is shyt (or at least was), I would estimate their merch revenue is less than their gate revenue.

So now if live gate and merch starts to crater? Okay, well that's still bad, but it's nowhere close to the five-alarm fire situation that it would have been in the 90s and earlier as long as they have that big media rights money coming in.
 

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I don't think AEW forced WWE to get better, it was Vince gettin' the door that ultimately has led to WWE being better.

Wwe was already in full swing when Vince got the oust. Stop giving triple h credit for nothing.
 
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You going a little too far. They are not bigger than CMLL and AAA has had stretches bigger than AEW's first run.

Comparing 2020's revenue to the old territories is not possible. It's also kind of unfair to compare attendance (nowadays it's much more expensive and there's way more shyt to do than going to the local wrestling show). But even still, I see no argument for AEW to be put ahead of AWA and Memphis, those two territories were profitable and were selling big arenas for 5-7 year runs, multiple times.

They never put asses in seats like AEW has at their peak. I'm not just talking about Wembley. Shows like 'Grand Slam' or even arena shows where they've done 10k+ on many occasions dwarf the promotions you mentioned.

AEW wins in global reach as well. They have many television deals across the globe which account for a lot of the presumed revenue. Forbes reported revenue of $250M or something like that, even if you adjust for inflation, those other promotions were never doing that.
 

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They never put asses in seats like AEW has at their peak. I'm not just talking about Wembley. Shows like 'Grand Slam' or even arena shows where they've done 10k+ on many occasions dwarf the promotions you mentioned.

AEW wins in global reach as well. They have many television deals across the globe which account for a lot of the presumed revenue. Forbes reported revenue of $250M or something like that, even if you adjust for inflation, those other promotions were never doing that.
Like Cattle said, that's because of the TV money boom of the past 10 years. It feels to me you are trying to force the argument by using a metric that's impossible to compare to the promotions you wanna compare it with. And yes, AEW's revenue is impressive as all hell, but they are still in the red. So I do feel some type of way when you wanna put them ahead of promotions/territories that were profitable and also run 7-12k buildings consistently for decades.

CMLL been doing 10k shows weekly for a long, loooooong ass time breh not even sure why you wanna go there with them. They are a 90 year company that's done big at one point of every decade since they've existed basically. I honestly don't know how you can compare it to AEW unless you just want to use 1 metric (revenue).

Maybe you got it wrong thinking wrestling companies weren't doing big shows before the mid 1980's? because they were. AWA has a fukk ton of 10k+ shows, and Memphis was selling out (or at worst selling 80%) Mid South Colliseum, that held 10k every month for a number of stretches in 60s', 70's and 80's.

Global reach you are right but again, what's the point of comparing AEW to promotions than never even intented to be national, let alone global :dead:

I just think it's kind of pointless argument because we have no fair point of comparison between most of the companies you mentioned. That doesn't take away from the impressive shyt AEW has done :manny:
 
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